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yvoone
05-01-2011, 16:47
I recently met someone in France who has done 3 months of touring around europe. I was told that a lot of people are getting robbed in their motorhome in Spain. (about 80% of motorhome owner that they have spoken to)

Has anyone heard of or seen similar experience in Spain recently?

Regards,
William and Yvoone

grath
05-01-2011, 16:52
No, but about 10 years ago I was robbed twice in one day when I was International Trucking. It was in Nules, Casteleon.
Many trucks were done over and the second Robbery was attempted as I was reporting the first to the Guarda Civil!
This is not hearsay but happened to me!
Possibly a sign of the times and the high unemployment rate but I doubt very much if anywhere near to 80%. I can understand slightly higher than normal figures but it can't be that bad , can it?
John H and a few others are there at the moment and have not said anything about it, so I would not worry unduly!

John H
05-01-2011, 17:21
There is a problem with robberies on certain motorways (especially from Perpignan to Barcelona) but even there the problem is minimal (nowhere near the 80% scare figure that has been mentioned). If you avoid motorways you are probably safer in Spain than in England. We regularly spend the winter in Spain and have met literally hundreds of other motorhomers. I can think of three who have been robbed - two on a motorway and one in a supermarket car park. If you did the same kind of survey in England I doubt that the figures would be smaller! The answer is always the same : you can be robbed anywhere but if you take sensible precautions (without converting your van into a fortress) you can stop worrying.

savannah
05-01-2011, 19:09
I recently met someone in France who has done 3 months of touring around europe. I was told that a lot of people are getting robbed in their motorhome in Spain. (about 80% of motorhome owner that they have spoken to)

Has anyone heard of or seen similar experience in Spain recently?

Regards,
William and Yvoone

PLEASE dont listen to these ridiculous scare stories.....as johnh said......barcelona motorway system is not fantastic, neither is around madrid but just dont park up and leave your van unattended in a motorway service areas..OR supermarket carparks......be aware...the rest of spain,believe me, is virtually crime free away from the costas. I have lived inland from Malaga for 13 years and regularly wildcamp alone INLAND and have never had a problem.....if I dont feel safe I move on.....listen to your instincts and ENJOY!
PLUS inland central portugal is fantastic.....thats where I am now (but on a rural site ) and its peeing down.... heyho.....tomorrow is another day......

Lynda

grath
05-01-2011, 19:26
Incidentally, this year we intend either motorhoming to Spain & Portugal or Greece, not decided as yet, but if we choose Spain, I would have no worries about wilding in Central Spain.
As mentioned earlier, avoid the Autoroutes and the Costas and some of the larger Cities and you should be OK. The small villages and some of the truck-stop type restaurants are as safe as anywhere, and the real Spanish people (by this I mean away from the tourist hot spots) are very hospitable.
A lovely country! with equally lovely people!

elguopo
05-01-2011, 19:45
my van was broken into while i was on the beach, golden rule is don`t leave your van unattended if you can help it, supermarkets are a prime spot for crime so park as close to the entrance as possible where you can keep an eye on it, if you can leave someone in the van.

David & Ann
05-01-2011, 22:27
2008 July. Between Barcelona and Sitges, a place called Garraf, MH was 30 yards from the beach which we kept an eye on but still got robbed of a few expensive items. 2008 September, Got robbed again in San Sebastion. only a cheap watch was missing as we took our valuables with us and was back in 1/2 an hour. Got a Police report from the first robbery at Sitges, the Insurance paid out in full on arrival in England. Our present MH is like Fort Knox but I am sure if someone wants to get in, they will, but it will be a lot harder.

kenspain
06-01-2011, 08:51
I recently met someone in France who has done 3 months of touring around europe. I was told that a lot of people are getting robbed in their motorhome in Spain. (about 80% of motorhome owner that they have spoken to)

Has anyone heard of or seen similar experience in Spain recently?

Regards,
William and Yvoone

I have lived here 13 years now and have only had one friend here Spanish that got robbed we spend most weekends out, and 6 months in Portugal Yes like anywhere you can be robbed just take care were you park and you will be ok.

europebycampervan
06-01-2011, 12:41
We have been touring in Europe for the last 8 months, just returned to Spain for the winter. In all this time on the road, only our bikes (on the back of the van) have been fiddled with but as they were well locked they weren't taken. We have wildcamped as much as possible but are very aware of security as we come from Zimbabwe and don't stop unless we feel safe. We have a dog which helps, and bought a fiamma lock for the side door. We have laptops and cameras in the van, but have insurance in case they do get stolen. I don't see any real issues with crime in Europe, it is just luck as to whether you will targeted or not, you simply have to minimise the risk.

Mrs Nomad
27-12-2011, 17:24
PLEASE dont listen to these ridiculous scare stories.....as johnh said......barcelona motorway system is not fantastic, neither is around madrid but just dont park up and leave your van unattended in a motorway service areas..OR supermarket carparks......be aware...the rest of spain,believe me, is virtually crime free away from the costas. I have lived inland from Malaga for 13 years and regularly wildcamp alone INLAND and have never had a problem.....if I dont feel safe I move on.....listen to your instincts and ENJOY!
PLUS inland central portugal is fantastic.....thats where I am now (but on a rural site ) and its peeing down.... heyho.....tomorrow is another day......

Lynda

Lynda is right - we live in Spain, and travel around Spain, France and Portugal in our MH and have never had a problem. Just exercise normal caution.... don't park anywhere dodgy, don't leave valuables on display - and don't stop for anyone, no matter what. The motorway services seem prime for opportunists, so fill up with fuel before you get on the MW and if, IF you really need to pull over for anything make sure you lock the doors.
There are scare stories out there, but most of the time theres no more risk of problems here than in any other country.

As for 80% of MHs being broken into??? Really??? I highly doubt it.

kenspain
27-12-2011, 17:35
I was robed today got charged 2euros for a coffee in Benidorm Only went in because the bar lady looked nice:lol-049::lol-049::lol-049:

vwalan
27-12-2011, 17:44
hi. yes you can be broken in to . it is very common. i have been free camping in spain just about all my life . can say it doesnt matter if you are on sites as a child i remember frequently reports on sites of robbery . i was robbed two years ago just below valencia at el saler.we were parked on the beach.lost cards and some cash. we were actually asleep in the trailer so was the dog . got woken by the bank ringing us to ask about card use in valencia at a cash machine.
it happens . forget the gassing we were just broken in by the door and my jeans took out side . emptyed the wallet and off .left passports driving licence .
have also been broken into in morocco . twice. once 12yrs ago window broken and a bag of clothes missing . the last time again window broken and clothes radio bits and pieces missing.
it can happen anywhere. even here in uk . bet loads got robbed recently before xmas .
be careful it happens to us all . if it hasnt watch out you might be next. all times there was a dog in the vehicle or around but they got away with it.
i dont think its anymore worse on motorways than other places . none of mine happened at or near motorways . it can happen anywhere. never put me off though . just had to fit more bolts etc .
i would say every year you can hear or meet people that it as happened to .so beware it does happen.

Haaamster
27-12-2011, 17:56
I met a Croatian couple near Lake Como that told me they would like to go to Spain but were too afraid because of the robberies they had heard of. I kid you not the guy was about 6' 9" and his wife about 6' 7" and both looked as hard as nails. On top of that they had 2 ruddy great alsations in their MH, had to smirk really when they said they were scared.

Nolly
27-12-2011, 19:48
Been Wilding in France for 20 years & no probs. One trip to Spain & got hit while sleeping.
Hasn't put us off wilding though, just taught us to be more vigilant.

Stay safe Nolly.

Tony Lee
27-12-2011, 20:47
"I was told that a lot of people are getting robbed in their motorhome in Spain. (about 80% of motorhome owner that they have spoken to"


To that bit of unsubstantiated exaggeration you can add the similarly ridiculous stories about a lot of people getting robbed at motorway aires, or a lot of people getting gassed and robbed.

If you want some really scary stuff guaranteed to make you want to emigrate to Iceland, why not browse the local police reports or the crime column in the local paper.

JED THE SPREAD
27-12-2011, 21:09
And have any of these Motorhomes been fitted with a car alarm?

jed

donkey too
28-12-2011, 10:56
Hi,
I live just down the road from Centre Parks in Suffolk. They have had 140 reported roberries from accommodations in the last 12 months. over half of these were expensive cross country bikes. 85 of them involved the vehicles parked in the car park with 24/7 security cameras. and this place has a large security staff 24/7 as well as a police person from our town permanently stationed there.
No probs with anywhere else in EU. So if you want to get robbed park your van in Spain on a car park for safety and spend a week in CP:lol-049::lol-049:

wildtime
29-12-2011, 11:10
I recently met someone in France who has done 3 months of touring around europe. I was told that a lot of people are getting robbed in their motorhome in Spain. (about 80% of motorhome owner that they have spoken to)

Has anyone heard of or seen similar experience in Spain recently?

Regards,
William and Yvoone

No, on our short visit to NE Spain in December 2009 (we planned to stay there for Christmas) we never had problems with thefts - BUT we did have problems with both the Guardia Civil and Policia Local both of which made us feel most unwelcome in the Peniscola area - to the extent that we decided to give-up on Spain and head back to France where we felt most welcome wild camping.

We also had a most unfortunatel experience in the vicinity of Barcelona on the main north-south Route National where a construction tipper-truck deliberately aimed his tail-gate release lever to catch our off-side (being on rhs of dual carraigeway road) door-mirror and drove off quickly. This ended up costing us 550 which was put through our insurers and of course resulted in higher premiums on all subsequent renewals - car and motorhome. After the attack I drove as fast as possible and caught up with the culprit truck and as he had to halt in a traffic queue I alighted to speak with him. Before I could reach his cab he alighted and simultaneously another driver of an identical construction tipper-truck did the same and both headed for our motorhome brandishing wheel knut torque wrenches - obviously aimed at intimidating us. After some words in Catalan which we did not understand and I giving them my views they reluctantly returned to their trucks. So, we are not keen on Spain - in fact the wife refuses blankly to consider going there again. The insurers did follow the insurance bureau procedures for trying to get the truck company's insurers to pay-up but undurprisingly they denied any responsibility.

I think the Spanish authorities need to improve the attitude of their police forces if they are to encourage tourism from the likes of us. Spain is now in deep recession and has the highest unemployment rate in Europe - so they need our business.

James

grath
29-12-2011, 11:59
Those sort of driving and intimidation tactics are far from been limited to Spain and can and do happen nearly everywhere even here in the UK:sad:
It's just the luck of the draw if you are involved:scared:
Yes some of the Guarda to have a lot to learn in people skills and I doubt that in these tough times they will get any better soon!
Having driven all over Europe as an International Trucker, I would not let this put you off as it could happen anywhere and Spain does have a lot to offer. Try the Atlantic Spain along to Galicia.

kenspain
29-12-2011, 13:39
No, on our short visit to NE Spain in December 2009 (we planned to stay there for Christmas) we never had problems with thefts - BUT we did have problems with both the Guardia Civil and Policia Local both of which made us feel most unwelcome in the Peniscola area - to the extent that we decided to give-up on Spain and head back to France where we felt most welcome wild camping.

We also had a most unfortunatel experience in the vicinity of Barcelona on the main north-south Route National where a construction tipper-truck deliberately aimed his tail-gate release lever to catch our off-side (being on rhs of dual carraigeway road) door-mirror and drove off quickly. This ended up costing us 550 which was put through our insurers and of course resulted in higher premiums on all subsequent renewals - car and motorhome. After the attack I drove as fast as possible and caught up with the culprit truck and as he had to halt in a traffic queue I alighted to speak with him. Before I could reach his cab he alighted and simultaneously another driver of an identical construction tipper-truck did the same and both headed for our motorhome brandishing wheel knut torque wrenches - obviously aimed at intimidating us. After some words in Catalan which we did not understand and I giving them my views they reluctantly returned to their trucks. So, we are not keen on Spain - in fact the wife refuses blankly to consider going there again. The insurers did follow the insurance bureau procedures for trying to get the truck company's insurers to pay-up but undurprisingly they denied any responsibility.

I think the Spanish authorities need to improve the attitude of their police forces if they are to encourage tourism from the likes of us. Spain is now in deep recession and has the highest unemployment rate in Europe - so they need our business.

James
I have had the same problem with lorry drivers here and in the UK but have meet some real nice one,s in the UK Portugal France which proves to me that just like us motorhomes we are not all bad. Please dont believe on all you read we are not doing that bad here in Spain at the moment. With regard to the problem you had with the police we have it most weekends when about 6 of us go out wild camping so its not only you that gets it. I will now offer a little tip to all that come over here. On Sunday near Valencia a motor home was stopped towing a car on an a frame and the driver got out and was waving a peace of paper about from a company that made this a frame saying that the frame was legal to be used in any ECU country. As the driver was on his own the car on tow is now in the pound and he was fined for towing a car with 4 wheels on the road. Now the powers to be here are now asking each Country for a test like a mot to be carried out and Stamped by the Government. Not some peace of paper that has been translated poorly. I think this will mean that you will only get a smaller fine as long as you have some one to drive the other car if your unlucky to get Stopped.

donkey too
29-12-2011, 15:13
I was robed today got charged 2euros for a coffee in Benidorm Only went in because the bar lady looked nice:lol-049::lol-049::lol-049:
She must have been a muppet then otherwise you wouldn't have grumbled about the 2 euros:lol-053:

kenspain
29-12-2011, 16:34
She must have been a muppet then otherwise you wouldn't have grumbled about the 2 euros:lol-053:

She said to the other waitress that she did not like English they always say the coffee is cold :lol-049: but when we sat down and my step son took his coat of and she saw his uniform underneath and he ask for a hot coffee in English the look on her face was a treat poor love:raofl::raofl::raofl:

dave and mary
30-12-2011, 18:30
We have traveled in spain for 7 years in our m/h we were gassed one night whilst sleepig in a service area not far from barcelona,this is not nice,

you now nothing about it untill, as with us we got to the tolls and found we had no money. we have a safe hiden in the van so passports and most cash was ok

they are profesionl people so you must try to out wit them. never park in a service with a foot bridge over as this gives them a choice of escape. fit as many alarms

as you can but you must have a gas alarm ( we had just changed our van and i had not fitted ours big mistake ) we new nothing about it when we woke up

as every thing was put back in exaclly the same place, the police told us they take people of the bed to look under mattress, not a nice experience but do not let

this put you of of traveling in spain. they are lovely friendly people and we will be back in march for another 5 months.

runnach
30-12-2011, 21:18
This "gassing" is unbelievable, never heard of this before. Bloody dangerous too, what gas type/s is it and, how is it administered into MH?

Apart from gas alarm (does this go off with any gas type?) what else can be done, aprt from sleeping in an air fed pod?

Glad to hear thishas not put you of from touring Spain, or any other country........

Regards.

grath
30-12-2011, 21:22
We also met a couple this year who were certain that when they were robbed they had been gassed.
However all of the expert opinions is that it would be impossible to have any control and it would be luck of the draw if the occupants survived any such attack.

Incidentally, these are the second people we have met with such claims.
The earlier people also had two bloody big dogs in the van and they did not bark at or bite the robbers.
Strange, draw your own conclusions!

NicknClair
30-12-2011, 21:51
Well I knew the day would come where a post would lead me to treading on toes, walking on Glass and possibly !"$ing someone off, but hey what the hell!!!!!!!

I am married to a Pharmacist, with a close friend whom happens (now wait for it!!!!!!!) to be an Anaesthetist. This topic has lead to many a long debate as to the "Hear say" and claims of gassing in motorhomes. Now rather than me go into a full blown rant as to why is is very very very unlikely this could happen, please read the following link;

News and Media (http://www.rcoa.ac.uk/index.asp?PageID=987)

I will also add this other issue into the equation. One of the most common gasses available in the free market is Ether, commonly used as "Easy Start". In my former job, I received products for Beta testing from companies like Honeywell (Fire and Gas Alarm specialists) and Dometic/Waeco. Now the initial reason for going down the Gas Detector route was purely for the following reasons;

A) You carry LPG and as Wild Campers, you use it to keep fridges/heaters going. It is vital to know if and when you have a LPG leak before it's too late. Luckily for the US RV's, federal law meant that LPG detectors were fitted as standard, however the NCC and TUV Europe Type Approval Standard failed to make this observation???? All those British/European Vans, with no early warning!

B) If some thiething, hairy toed hedge monkey thought it would be a good idea to squirt highly flammable "Easy Start" in my van because he read in a paper that it was possible to put people asleep with it, I'd rather know before it was too late that he was filling my van with an explosive gas before I was more than a Jonny Cash moment (thought i'd try a bit of humor there :)).

In the end, we chose to promote a 12v Gas Detector that did detect LPG and other flammable gasses safely, but must stress it was for safety of fire risk and not the Urban Myth. I will hold my hand up and confirm I have fitted one, BUT for the above reasons only!!!!

Now for my closing Statement......................................... ............ If there was a super dooper gas out there that would knock people out without the risk of death, surely every Secret Service/Special ops/Mi5 etc would use it in hostage takings/capture of tyrants. I am sorry if this has been taken as offensive, but there are far too many factors against the possibility of Gas Attacks.

grath
30-12-2011, 22:03
I think there is more to worry about by distraction and then a second person doing the robbing.
Just be on your guard and don't trust anybody. Keep the van locked when you are out of view of any door.
We lock our cab doors when we are sitting outside the open habitation door.
We also have security locks on all doors. The weak point is the windows!

runnach
30-12-2011, 22:05
I think you have answered positively, and in a professional manner. I did wonder how gas could be administered in a fashion that would not kill occupants. Not all vans have same area, how much LPM of gas to knock one out, without being chased for murder, not to mention what it would do to the countries economy?

I'll read link later, and thanks..............

Ps, I think Mrs R has more to worry about what she feeds me............:scooter:

Northerner
30-12-2011, 22:31
Gassing is an urban myth and there has never been one proven case of gassing. It's also funny that the cylinders required would be enormous and yet none has ever been found or left at the scene of a so-called 'gassing'.

The only example of attempted gassing was in Moscow in 2002 when 40 to 50 Chechen rebels took hostages in a theatre. The state eventually tried to introduce a narcotic gas and with all the expertise of top scientists, 170 people were killed.

Just think on this: An anaesthesiologist trains for five years to acquire the skills that he has. In a closely monitored operation and with all of the finest equipment and anaesthetics at his disposal, he has to make complex calculations based on the patient's age, weight and the length of the operation and needs to constantly regulate his doses in order to keep the the patient in that very narrow band just between death and a deep trance.

And people believe that a couple of Albanian thieves can squirt something into a motorhome and put the occupants into a deep sleep without harming them! And please note, the amount of any narcotic gas needed to knock out a grown man would probably kill a child.

But why would these thieves go to all this trouble? First source a supply of the correct anaesthetic gas, then lug it around to camp sites or where ever motorhomes park, then find a way of introducing it into a locked 'van, just enough to knock out the inhabitants but do them no permanent damage. And why, for a few quid from a motorhomer, or the odd credit card or passport? I can assure you, that if they had this technology, which they don't, they'd be after much bigger fish! And why would they go through all these complex and dangerous procedures? Surely they'd just break in and, if you woke up, stick a gun in your face? Much more simple!

The probable case is that people have a heavy day, possibly a glass of wine and then a deep sleep. They are robbed whilst they sleep and wake up, possibly feeling a bit hung over. Now if this happened at home, which it does every night in the U.K. people would just accept that they've been robbed but, because it happened in a motorhome or caravan, and because they've heard this cock and bull urban myth, they jump to the conclusion that they've been gassed. Well they haven't and it's time that this was knocked on the head once and for all.

It is appalling that many companies sell these narcotic gas detectors and play on people's fears. There is no gassing, there is no need for detectors and the whole thing is utter tosh!

LPG and carbon monoxide detectors are a different thing all together and everyone should have one, but narcotic gas detectors, save your money folks!

vwalan
30-12-2011, 23:34
hi , i dont believe the gassing either . but will admit to being robbed on el saler beach carpark a couple of years ago. we had been there a couple of days . someone twisted the caravan style plastic door handle /lock . managed to open the door grab my jeans and a jacket . .possibly saw the dog and left taking a camera . we were woke by the bank ringing us at 7.30 in the morning asking if we were trying to get cash from a machine in valencia. i looked and realised jeans and jacket missing . my partner went to check on our friends vans . as she came back noticed jeans and jacket pushed under the steps . all cash and cards gone. i,m sure we werent gassed but can say never heard them and the dog never went crazy. i think they are just very clever. and good at it. i have also talked with our local aneithetist about gassing he thought it impossible. i dont think it was gassing,i regularly have opps on my throat and have just about every year a opp. so know the smell taste of the gas . we werent i,m sure. but even so robbing does happen . now have big bolts and extra locks etc . i really didnt think it would happen to us . if the dog had been in the cab i would have found it easier but she was in with us . seems impossible but it did happen. they must have sorted through things leaving passport ,driving licence , just as well would have caused even more grief.
but beware it does happen. take every precaution you can. could happen any where . its not just spanish that thieve . as i have said had broken windows and things took in maroc as well . cant really stop that. unless you look like a riot truck. many do, bars on all windows . removable for driving . but not for me .yet.

John H
31-12-2011, 01:11
We also met a couple this year who were certain that when they were robbed they had been gassed.
However all of the expert opinions is that it would be impossible to have any control and it would be luck of the draw if the occupants survived any such attack.

Incidentally, these are the second people we have met with such claims.
The earlier people also had two bloody big dogs in the van and they did not bark at or bite the robbers.
Strange, draw your own conclusions!

As has been said, the gassing thing is simply an urban myth but what could have happened in the case of the dogs is that they were fed drugged food. Some friends of ours were robbed while they were in a supermarket (in Spain) and both of their dogs were in the van. The thieves stripped the van and the dogs were lethargic for days afterwards. I don't believe they ever took them to the vet for confirmation but they were convinced they had been drugged. Gassing, however, is out of the question for all the reasons stated above.

kenspain
31-12-2011, 07:05
Its a know thing here to drug the dogs with pills before the break in any where.
Later on today I will find out how many reports of gassing have been made to the police this year from Barcelona down to the Murcia area ,

dave and mary
31-12-2011, 07:21
i am very sorry people do not beleve in gassing in m/h i did not belive it but when it happens to you you will belive, so many so called experts say it can not

happen, sorry it can

after our attack and the visit to the police station they confirmed it saying they get a lot of it often into lorrys to steal the computers.

we have been m/h traveling for over 30 years we are normal people but when you wake up felling fine, then realise you have no money

no credid cards no camara and things in your van are not in the right place please give me another answer, and yes people have been killed.

i am sorry to go on about this issue but please be carefull and continue to enjoy your travelling

grath
31-12-2011, 08:37
Its a know thing here to drug the dogs with pills before the break in any where.
Later on today I will find out how many reports of gassing have been made to the police this year from Barcelona down to the Murcia area ,

Hi Ken.
I will be interested in your reply after your enquires.

Northerner
31-12-2011, 09:34
i am very sorry people do not beleve in gassing in m/h i did not belive it but when it happens to you you will belive, so many so called experts say it can not

happen, sorry it can

after our attack and the visit to the police station they confirmed it saying they get a lot of it often into lorrys to steal the computers.

we have been m/h traveling for over 30 years we are normal people but when you wake up felling fine, then realise you have no money

no credid cards no camara and things in your van are not in the right place please give me another answer, and yes people have been killed.

i am sorry to go on about this issue but please be carefull and continue to enjoy your travelling

Unfortunately the police are as gullible as everyone else and the other argument that I've heard is that they simply don't argue. If someone comes in saying that they think they've been gassed they'll do anything for a quiet life!

I state again, there are no proven incidents of gassing and to say that people have been killed is simply scaremongering and frightening others unnecessarily. Please produce one iota of evidence to back up this claim, which I have no doubt is another 'Well, a friend told me and he knows a bloke down the pub who has this mate who drives lorries blah blah blah...................

But to get back to your experience. How do you know you were gassed? You haven't the slightest evidence, no blood tests were taken and the only reason that you think you were gassed is that you've heard the tales and jumped to the totally wrong conclusion. If you'd never heard of gassing you'd have woken up and decided that you'd been robbed whilst sleeping, which is what actually happened. People can sleep very deeply especially after a hard day's driving or a large meal with some wine.

Please go back and read the posts including the link to the Royal Collage of Anaesthetics and my post were I lay out the reasons why this is an urban myth. It is totally wrong to spread stories such as this which have no basis in fact and which are simply the result of someone wanting to believe something rather than looking at the facts dispassionately.

I'm sorry that you were robbed, it must be distressing but peddling these myths does harm. They make people spend money on unnecessary narcotics alarms and in turn put off off others from travelling.

Northerner
31-12-2011, 09:37
Its a know thing here to drug the dogs with pills before the break in any where.
Later on today I will find out how many reports of gassing have been made to the police this year from Barcelona down to the Murcia area ,

Probably a few but it proves nothing! All it does prove is that people, having heard these myths, make the decision that they've been gassed and convince themselves that it's happened. It also looks better on the insurance claim than "I'd had a heavy meal, half a bottle of Rioja and was robbed whilst I slept like a log."

John H
31-12-2011, 09:58
I'm sorry that you were robbed, it must be distressing but peddling these myths does harm. They make people spend money on unnecessary narcotics alarms and in turn put off off others from travelling.

Since the impossibility of gassing has been discussed so many times on this forum and elsewhere, the cynic in me says that this person, whose only two posts on here advocate buying a narcotics alarm, might have a vested interest in the alarm business - perhaps? But then the cynic in me usually comes to the fore.......:)

runnach
31-12-2011, 10:01
A group of us were diving Iona area, staying in bunkhouse accommodation about a mile from Fionnphort, at road junction to Kintra.

Apre-Dive at the Keel Row, me and dive partner in crime were last out the pub, no lift back, we proceeded on long walk (stagger) to bunkhouse, clear, full moon starry night, annoying sheep sleeping at side of road :hammer:

What seemed like minutes, we were outside bunkhouse door, to this day, we reckon we were abducted by aliens :scared: we reckon they had their way with us, then dumped us at bunkhouse :lol-053:

Next morning we had thumping headaches, so bad, we never went :boat:

kenspain
31-12-2011, 11:00
Hi Grath

This year up until November, 7 reports of gassing have been made 4 by lorry drivers of which 1 has been charged with stealing from his employers. 3 have been moterhomes 1 English and 2 Dutch. That,s the Barcelona area . The Murcia area 2 lorry,s 1 French 1 German.and 1 French caravan said they were gassed. The reports showed no evidence of any gas cans being found and only one lorry had evidence of false entry to the drivers door. It must be a hard thing to do to your motorhome after all the tender love a care we put into them is to break a window or false the door so you can have something show your insurance. There is many other reports about robberies but no gas mention.

Happy New year to you all. Safe Travel

grath
31-12-2011, 11:11
thanks for the information Ken

Northerner
31-12-2011, 12:08
A group of us were diving Iona area, staying in bunkhouse accommodation about a mile from Fionnphort, at road junction to Kintra.

Apre-Dive at the Keel Row, me and dive partner in crime were last out the pub, no lift back, we proceeded on long walk (stagger) to bunkhouse, clear, full moon starry night, annoying sheep sleeping at side of road :hammer:

What seemed like minutes, we were outside bunkhouse door, to this day, we reckon we were abducted by aliens :scared: we reckon they had their way with us, then dumped us at bunkhouse :lol-053:

Next morning we had thumping headaches, so bad, we never went :boat:

Another appalling scare story that needs stamping on. There has never been a single proven case of alien abduction and stories such as this frighten people and are an insult to the peace-loving citizens of other planets. Because of people such as you who spread these vile lies, many earthlings and other carbon-based entities are wasting their precious resources on getting AIDs (Alien Intruder Detectors).

Yours sincerely,

Xando Gar Xreigeb

Ambassador Plenipotentiary for the Combined Solar System of Zefuxolyin in the Galaxy of Snarg 7.

runnach
31-12-2011, 18:42
Another appalling scare story that needs stamping on. There has never been a single proven case of alien abduction and stories such as this frighten people and are an insult to the peace-loving citizens of other planets. Because of people such as you who spread these vile lies, many earthlings and other carbon-based entities are wasting their precious resources on getting AIDs (Alien Intruder Detectors).

Yours sincerely,

Xando Gar Xreigeb

Ambassador Plenipotentiary for the Combined Solar System of Zefuxolyin in the Galaxy of Snarg 7.

We had the gas marks to prove the abduction, which were empty wallets.

Later that week, while apre-diving the Mishnish up in Tob, telling our story to director, James Cameron, he was enthralled with our story, not long after this, Abyss the movie was penned!!!

I feel another abduction building tonight.................

Happy New year everyone, be safe out, up, under there :wave:


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