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lotty
09-07-2011, 13:53
Hi Guys, not sure if you have this on your database but we had a fab day and night here so thought i'd share?

In Tankerton off B2205
Marine Crescent, Kent, CT5 2
right on Sea front.

Free unrestricted street parking on sea front with 2 public toilet blocks open 07.30am to 8pm each day, cleaned daily.
A dog friendly pub that does good food called The Royal. A cafe/takeaway.
It is an easy 15 min walk along sea front prom to Whitstable with lots of shops and pubs etc.

You can either say parked up along sea front or most vans seem to go to the dead end where there are no houses or passing traffic, there were 4 of us there this night. (take the left fork by black n white cafe on left and Jo Jo's restaurant on right) This is Marine Crescent.

Lotty
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Canalsman
09-07-2011, 18:50
Hi Lotty

Thanks for the recommendation - this is a spot that's been in the POI file for quite a while, but it's good to know it's still a nice place to stay :)

Regards

Chris

keith-17
21-07-2011, 16:48
amazing sunsets there ....... :)

MartianTom
06-08-2011, 15:29
I go there quite often and was there again last night. There were 4 other MHs there, too. It was a lovely, peaceful night.

However, I spoke this morning to a 'neighbouring' couple, who said some locals are trying to get the council to stop campers and MHs from using the spot. They said they were there one evening in the week and there were 11 others, and it's only a short road. That's one issue. The other, though, is that apparently some people were taking up 'permanent' residence there, emptying their cassettes in the drains and not cleaning up properly, etc.

I guess it's a case of a minority making it bad for everyone else. I'll keep you posted if I hear any developments.

MartianTom
24-09-2011, 10:46
I camped there again last night, as I do every Friday because it's near the start for the Whitstable ParkRun, which I do every Saturday.:mad1:

This morning, I woke at 6 to hear two dog walkers going by. They were talking about the campers (4 there last night, including mine) and saying they're not allowed to park overnight any more. One of them said she was going to report people if it kept happening.

That was the first I'd ever heard about 'not allowed'. However, when I checked this morning, I saw that the council had put up some new roadside signs on the adjacent lamp-posts: 'No motor caravans 6.30 pm - 8.30 am'. They certainly weren't there 2 weeks ago, when I last used the site.

It's discrimination, pure and simple. I may have been parked there and sleeping on the beach for all anyone would know! I've observed other motor-homers over the weeks there and they're all like me - they make no mess, they make no noise, they take their rubbish home with them or dispose of it properly. It's a dead-end road with no houses along it - the nearest residences are across the green - and there's nothing else there apart from beach huts... and the sea!

So, what's the issue? Why can't people just live and let live?

Canalsman
24-09-2011, 14:05
The question is - have the council sought a traffic regulation order (TRO) to support the signs?

Without it, the sign is worthless ...

keith-17
24-09-2011, 20:13
I camped there again last night, as I do every Friday because it's near the start for the Whitstable ParkRun, which I do every Saturday.:mad1:

This morning, I woke at 6 to hear two dog walkers going by. They were talking about the campers (4 there last night, including mine) and saying they're not allowed to park overnight any more. One of them said she was going to report people if it kept happening.

That was the first I'd ever heard about 'not allowed'. However, when I checked this morning, I saw that the council had put up some new roadside signs on the adjacent lamp-posts: 'No motor caravans 6.30 pm - 8.30 am'. They certainly weren't there 2 weeks ago, when I last used the site.

It's discrimination, pure and simple. I may have been parked there and sleeping on the beach for all anyone would know! I've observed other motor-homers over the weeks there and they're all like me - they make no mess, they make no noise, they take their rubbish home with them or dispose of it properly. It's a dead-end road with no houses along it - the nearest residences are across the green - and there's nothing else there apart from beach huts... and the sea!

So, what's the issue? Why can't people just live and let live?

We where there last night too , got there just after 6pm and where well pissed off by the new signs ...what they need too do is stop the twats in their cars screaming up and down there ...
we have been going there for a few years now on and off and where well dissapointed last night ...:(
we went on to the DOVER PATROL MEMORIAL in the end and had a wonderful night there instead ..
we where the only vehicle there last night and it was so clear the stars and jupiter where shinning bright .

lotty
24-09-2011, 21:04
I camped there again last night, as I do every Friday because it's near the start for the Whitstable ParkRun, which I do every Saturday.:mad1:

This morning, I woke at 6 to hear two dog walkers going by. They were talking about the campers (4 there last night, including mine) and saying they're not allowed to park overnight any more. One of them said she was going to report people if it kept happening.

That was the first I'd ever heard about 'not allowed'. However, when I checked this morning, I saw that the council had put up some new roadside signs on the adjacent lamp-posts: 'No motor caravans 6.30 pm - 8.30 am'. They certainly weren't there 2 weeks ago, when I last used the site.

It's discrimination, pure and simple. I may have been parked there and sleeping on the beach for all anyone would know! I've observed other motor-homers over the weeks there and they're all like me - they make no mess, they make no noise, they take their rubbish home with them or dispose of it properly. It's a dead-end road with no houses along it - the nearest residences are across the green - and there's nothing else there apart from beach huts... and the sea!

So, what's the issue? Why can't people just live and let live?



This is a real shame, We only used this place once and had a great time. Only one day and one night and moved on. Looks like we wont be able to use it again?
When we were there I overheard a couple talking while walking past our van saying "where do they go the toilet, I bet they dont walk all the way up to the public toilets, it's wrong!" :mad1: Oh, ignorance is bliss, they have no idea we are self sufficient, what do they think we are - animals!
I felt like going out and saying something but thought best not get into an argument!
I can not see what the problem is with MH/campers using the dead end part of the road! We're not spoiling anyones view and i would say 99% of us dont leave a mess! looks like the 1% may have spoilet it for us?
Plus, most of us will use the local shops and or pub, while we were there we ate at the pub and used the shops in town. Well it looks like they will be loosing some custom, who will they blame when the pub's and shops start struggling to survive because tourist can't park!

MartianTom
25-09-2011, 00:35
Here's the text of a letter I've just sent to the Parking Enforcement Officer at Canterbury City Council:

Dear sir or madam,

For a few months now, I have been driving my camper van to Marine Crescent in Tankerton on a Friday night and parking up overnight prior to taking part in the Whitstable Park Run, a community event which takes place every Saturday morning at 9.00 am. I always park on the quiet end of the road – the cul-de-sac end, behind the beach huts, where the footpath leads off to the skateboard park at Long Rock. I arrive at around 7 pm, at which time I usually walk to Tankerton High Street for some shopping at the Tesco Store. I’m usually in bed by 10.30 pm. I make no noise, I make no mess, I use the on-board chemical toilet if necessary, and I bring all my rubbish and waste home with me for disposal. I always leave the area at 8.00 am on Saturday to drive down to the start of the race, which is near the Marine Hotel.

Last Friday night I arrived as usual, to find that signs have now been put up prohibiting motor caravans from the area between the hours of 6.30 pm and 8.30 am. I’d like to know why this is, please. Although it is a residential area, there are no houses actually adjacent to the spot, and I usually try to park so that I am masked by the clump of trees that is planted on the green nearby. With the darker evenings, I’m sure nobody knows I am there, and – as I said – I leave no trace of my stay. Were it not for the fact that I sleep in the camper there overnight, I doubt there would even be an issue. I pay road tax for the vehicle and keep it in roadworthy condition. Why should I not be allowed to park it in this spot? If I parked it there and chose to sleep somewhere else – in a bed and breakfast, say – would that make a difference? I fail to see how it can be constitutional or fair for a fully taxed, insured and MOTd private vehicle to be forbidden to park on a public road. It isn’t an HGV or a coach. It is a 16-foot campervan – shorter than some vans (and cars), and a lot more environmentally-friendly than the average 4x4 vehicle. I think it is this whole thing of overnight sleeping that is the real issue. Well... some people sleep in their cars. What about them? Is there a law forbidding people from sleeping in vehicles?

In the light of this, I find it interesting that an issue of more pressing concern as a social nuisance – namely, ‘boy racers’ – doesn’t seem to get addressed in similar hard-line fashion. For many months now, I – and many others in my neighbourhood – have been plagued by these nuisances, who congregate nightly at the Neptune Car Park in Central Parade, Herne Bay. They race around the car park and along the seafront, they do skids and handbrake turns around the car park, they rev their engines, they beep their horns. Generally, they make a lot of noise, disturb a lot of people – and they do it every evening. I ring the police sometimes 4 or 5 times a week to ask if a patrol car can be sent to stop the noise. I have also had extensive correspondence with the council over the issue. I have written to councillors for the area. Nothing, however, seems to get done.

It seems to me that the priorities in parking enforcement are all wrong. Peaceful, law-abiding people who just want a decent night’s sleep are prohibited. Noisy social nuisances are allowed to carry on.

I might add that I often use my campervan to escape from the noise of these pests. I’m driven from my own home, literally, because their noise disturbs my evening and my sleep. So I go somewhere quiet to sleep – a sparsely-populated backroad... like, say, Marine Crescent in Tankerton. Yet I’M the one who gets the infringement of freedom by way of a parking prohibition. There’s a very strong irony there, I think you’ll agree.

I look forward to hearing an explanation of this measure at your earliest convenience.

Yours faithfully, etc

Feel better for getting it off my chest, at least!:mad:

Tbear
25-09-2011, 09:04
Hi Martian Tom,

I fear this is a typical reaction. The alarm "travellers" goes up and the parking restrictions come down. You may like to ask the council what the legal backing is for the restrictions as they do need to pass a Bye law before it can be enforced.
The curse of the teenage plonkers is a little more difficult to sort out. Multiple agencies involved, Highways, Police, Council, etc, so unless a lot of people create a lot of fuss nothing gets done until there is a very nasty accident or two. All too often its not the idiot that needs to be removed from the gene pool that gets hurt. A friend of my daughter was in a hit and run. He was not killed but left in the road for some time before the next car run over him. Still they seem to do little to stop these idiots.

Richard

lotty
25-09-2011, 22:31
I have a Facebook friend who lives in Tankerton, they have told me tonight there are plans to put parking meters all along the front at Tankerton!! She said its because of the amount of litter on the grass?? (She is a local but not against motorhomes)
Its a shame, it looks like this location going to be a future no go? :cry:
Lotty

MartianTom
25-09-2011, 22:58
I have a Facebook friend who lives in Tankerton, they have told me tonight there are plans to put parking meters all along the front at Tankerton!! She said its because of the amount of litter on the grass?? (She is a local but not against motorhomes)
Its a shame, it looks like this location going to be a future no go? :cry:
Lotty

There's usually a cut-off time with meters, Lotty. They introduced them on Herne Bay seafront last year for the first time, but it's still free to park after 6 pm. I'm not going to let this rest with the council. The problem with 'boy racers' (many of whom haven't been boys for some years now!) has been going on for decades. I complain most nights to the police, and I've been putting in weekly reports to Parking Enforcement. All they say is 'We're monitoring CCTV in the area and liasing with the police' - which is a 'we're doing all we can' way of saying 'sorry, mate... you'll have to put up with it.'

And I'm going to continue to park at Tankerton on principle. If it's the aesthetics of motorhomes that upsets people, maybe they should look at some of the 4x4 tanks and armoured personnel carriers that represent the average family saloon nowadays. A £15,000 car is just that - a car. Its use is limited to transporting people, school runs, shopping trips to Tesco or Sainsbury's and blocking narrow roads. It might as well be a 1970s rust-bucket Escort. Our vehicles are multi-purpose. They could even help to solve the supposed housing crisis.

MartianTom
25-09-2011, 23:04
I have a Facebook friend who lives in Tankerton, they have told me tonight there are plans to put parking meters all along the front at Tankerton!! She said its because of the amount of litter on the grass?? (She is a local but not against motorhomes)
Its a shame, it looks like this location going to be a future no go? :cry:
Lotty

There's usually a cut-off time with meters, Lotty. They introduced them on Herne Bay seafront last year for the first time, but it's still free to park after 6 pm. I'm not going to let this rest with the council. The problem with 'boy racers' (many of whom haven't been boys for some years now!) has been going on for decades. I complain most nights to the police, and I've been putting in weekly reports to Parking Enforcement. All they say is 'We're monitoring CCTV in the area and liasing with the police' - which is a 'we're doing all we can' way of saying 'sorry, mate... you'll have to put up with it.'

And I'm going to continue to park at Tankerton on principle. If it's the aesthetics of motorhomes that upsets people, maybe they should look at some of the 4x4 tanks and armoured personnel carriers that represent the average family saloon nowadays. A £15,000 car is just that - a car. Its use is limited to transporting people, school runs, shopping trips to Tesco or Sainsbury's and blocking narrow roads. It might as well be a 1970s rust-bucket Escort. Our vehicles are multi-purpose. They could even help to solve the supposed housing crisis.

keith-17
26-09-2011, 10:27
If they put in meters then that would be ok becasue once you have paid then they can't stop you parking there ... the crazy thing is that if you head further along towards the front whitstable there is no restriction on parking and that is right in front of peoples homes ...

as regards litter i always take any rubbish away with me ..can't say the same for the dogs that wander past ... i know which i would prefer to stand on !!!!!!!

keith-17
26-09-2011, 10:34
Here's the text of a letter I've just sent to the Parking Enforcement Officer at Canterbury City Council:

Dear sir or madam,

For a few months now, I have been driving my camper van to Marine Crescent in Tankerton on a Friday night and parking up overnight prior to taking part in the Whitstable Park Run, a community event which takes place every Saturday morning at 9.00 am. I always park on the quiet end of the road – the cul-de-sac end, behind the beach huts, where the footpath leads off to the skateboard park at Long Rock. I arrive at around 7 pm, at which time I usually walk to Tankerton High Street for some shopping at the Tesco Store. I’m usually in bed by 10.30 pm. I make no noise, I make no mess, I use the on-board chemical toilet if necessary, and I bring all my rubbish and waste home with me for disposal. I always leave the area at 8.00 am on Saturday to drive down to the start of the race, which is near the Marine Hotel.

Last Friday night I arrived as usual, to find that signs have now been put up prohibiting motor caravans from the area between the hours of 6.30 pm and 8.30 am. I’d like to know why this is, please. Although it is a residential area, there are no houses actually adjacent to the spot, and I usually try to park so that I am masked by the clump of trees that is planted on the green nearby. With the darker evenings, I’m sure nobody knows I am there, and – as I said – I leave no trace of my stay. Were it not for the fact that I sleep in the camper there overnight, I doubt there would even be an issue. I pay road tax for the vehicle and keep it in roadworthy condition. Why should I not be allowed to park it in this spot? If I parked it there and chose to sleep somewhere else – in a bed and breakfast, say – would that make a difference? I fail to see how it can be constitutional or fair for a fully taxed, insured and MOTd private vehicle to be forbidden to park on a public road. It isn’t an HGV or a coach. It is a 16-foot campervan – shorter than some vans (and cars), and a lot more environmentally-friendly than the average 4x4 vehicle. I think it is this whole thing of overnight sleeping that is the real issue. Well... some people sleep in their cars. What about them? Is there a law forbidding people from sleeping in vehicles?

In the light of this, I find it interesting that an issue of more pressing concern as a social nuisance – namely, ‘boy racers’ – doesn’t seem to get addressed in similar hard-line fashion. For many months now, I – and many others in my neighbourhood – have been plagued by these nuisances, who congregate nightly at the Neptune Car Park in Central Parade, Herne Bay. They race around the car park and along the seafront, they do skids and handbrake turns around the car park, they rev their engines, they beep their horns. Generally, they make a lot of noise, disturb a lot of people – and they do it every evening. I ring the police sometimes 4 or 5 times a week to ask if a patrol car can be sent to stop the noise. I have also had extensive correspondence with the council over the issue. I have written to councillors for the area. Nothing, however, seems to get done.

It seems to me that the priorities in parking enforcement are all wrong. Peaceful, law-abiding people who just want a decent night’s sleep are prohibited. Noisy social nuisances are allowed to carry on.

I might add that I often use my campervan to escape from the noise of these pests. I’m driven from my own home, literally, because their noise disturbs my evening and my sleep. So I go somewhere quiet to sleep – a sparsely-populated backroad... like, say, Marine Crescent in Tankerton. Yet I’M the one who gets the infringement of freedom by way of a parking prohibition. There’s a very strong irony there, I think you’ll agree.

I look forward to hearing an explanation of this measure at your earliest convenience.

Yours faithfully, etc

Feel better for getting it off my chest, at least!:mad:

Thats excellent , very well put :)

MartianTom
26-09-2011, 12:43
Well, today I had a reply from Parking Enforcement at Canterbury City Council. Here it is:

The prohibition of motor home parking in Marine Crescent was requested by a resident. Following public consultation councillors at the Joint Transportation Board recommended that the prohibition was implemented and the City Council’s Executive resolved to support the recommendation and implement the prohibition.

I know that our enforcement team and the Police are very aware of the issues that you refer to in Herne Bay and are doing what they can to address this.

Richard Jenkins
Senior Transportation Officer
Transportation Team
Canterbury City Council
Military Road
Canterbury
CT1 1YW

...and here's my response to it:

Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your response to my query. If nothing else, it restores my faith in democracy that one single person can, because of their objection to a perfectly reasonable and harmless activity (i.e. parking a fully-licensed private road vehicle and sleeping in it overnight), persuade the council to instigate a prohibition.

In regard to the ‘boy racer’ problem, I’d still like to know what ‘doing what they can to address this’ amounts to. We are talking here about an ongoing and unimpeded social nuisance which, I know for a fact, many people have complained about over the years. It disturbs our evenings, it disturbs our sleep and it inhibits our choices in the rightful enjoyment of our own homes – for instance, having to keep windows closed on warm evenings, having to use headphones when listening to music or the television, and having to use ear plugs when trying to sleep. The sleep disturbance also affects our efficiency at work, which has implications of a much wider nature. A recent measure introduced by the council to try to counter this problem was to install a speed bump at the entrance to the car park. This, if you’ll forgive me, amounts to using a Band-Aid to fix a broken leg. In fact, it probably adds to the enjoyment of these people by giving them an additional challenge for practising their stunt driving. One evening during the summer, I saw a car spin a ‘doughnut’ so fast in the trailer area of the car park that one of his back tyres caught fire. This was quite early in the evening, too, when there were a number of pedestrians in the vicinity.

Does this kind of behaviour equate in anti-social severity with the parking of a motorhome overnight? I don’t think so. I believe the whole issue about motorhome parking is based on discrimination, engendered by a popular, but largely mythological stereotype of ‘travellers’ and their supposed ‘law-breaking’ activities. The ongoing issue at Dale Farm in Essex perpetuates such nonsense. If people object to motorhomes and camper vans on purely aesthetic grounds then I would ask them to look at some of the other ugly monstrosities which are, presumably, allowed to park anywhere they choose on any section of unrestricted road: I refer to things like ‘Warrior’ pick-up trucks, Land Rover Defenders (both vehicles which are completely superfluous in an urban environment), plus countless other works’ vans and trucks.

In view of this prohibition, I shall in future be driving my estate car to Marine Crescent on Friday evenings and sleeping overnight in the back. That way I can continue to get a peaceful night’s sleep without troubling anyone else, and I won’t be in breach of any parking by-law.

Thank you again for your response.

Yours sincerely, etc.

PS As ‘a resident’, can I demand a public consultation about the ‘boy racer’ issue, please?

I look forward to hearing from you.


...which I duly did:

Dear Mr Marman

Public consultation only takes place when a firm proposal is being considered.

We deal with civil enforcement, mainly to do with car parking, both on-street and in car parks, but the sort of public order issues that you describe can only be addressed by the Police since they fall under the criminal law.

Richard Jenkins


...to which I further responded...

Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your further response. However, I am still far from satisfied. As you said in your first response, the prohibition of motor home parking in Marine Crescent was requested by a resident – and this request was clearly sufficient cause to instigate a public consultation. If one person can achieve such a response based on what was, I can only presume, a largely aesthetic objection, then why can’t a more serious issue – and one affecting a larger number of people – achieve a similar level of attention?

The anti-social behaviour element of the ‘boy racer’ issue may fall under criminal law, but their behaviour amounts to misuse of a council car park. Surely, then, you could institute some form of civil enforcement to prevent such misuse. I have already suggested that a barrier be installed, so that the car park can be closed between certain hours of the night, with pass keys being made available for essential users such as fishermen. As an afterthought to that, such a measure would also prevent motorhomes and camper vans from using the car park to park up overnight. Effectively, then, you would be dealing with two ‘anti-social’ issues for the price of one.

Perhaps you can give this idea some further consideration.

Yours sincerely, etc


Oh, I love baiting these petty officials!

bmb1uk
27-09-2011, 11:47
Hi Martin tom love your letters, cannnt wait for the next instalment,and thanks for your endevours.

keith-17
28-09-2011, 16:19
I can't believe that canterbury council acted on the wrod of " A RESIDENT " ... was he a counceller or something ??

there is no restrcition on parking in the road parellel with marnine drive or on the roads that run away from the sea ..may be they would prefer we park there instead ... ??

MichaelU
30-09-2011, 19:44
Love the soap so far, what about sending the council a request for all of the relevant correspondence between the resident and the council under the freedom of information act.

I'd love to park up during the day in front of the residents house :-)

It might also be entertaining to see how this sorry little episode unfolded within the council offices.

MartianTom
30-09-2011, 22:12
Love the soap so far, what about sending the council a request for all of the relevant correspondence between the resident and the council under the freedom of information act.

Good idea. Email gone off as I speak...

MartianTom
05-10-2011, 10:43
Love the soap so far, what about sending the council a request for all of the relevant correspondence between the resident and the council under the freedom of information act.

I'd love to park up during the day in front of the residents house :-)

It might also be entertaining to see how this sorry little episode unfolded within the council offices.

I e-mailed a FOI request. Here's the response I got:

Please note that we are unable to provide you with the details you have requested as this information is exempt under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. The exemption applied is Section 40(2) – personal information, which is an absolute exemption and therefore there is no need to consider the public interest in disclosure.

Kind of expected that, I must say...

MartianTom
11-10-2011, 15:15
I e-mailed the FOI Office again to ask if they could at least tell me the nature of the complaint. Here's the response I've just received:

The prohibition was requested by a local resident who expressed concern about having people camping in motorhomes near their home. The proposer also expressed concern about anti-social behaviour by some motorhome users.



I wonder what that might have been.

Snoring?

MartianTom
21-10-2011, 16:29
I e-mailed the FOI Office again to ask if they could at least tell me the nature of the complaint. Here's the response I've just received:

The prohibition was requested by a local resident who expressed concern about having people camping in motorhomes near their home. The proposer also expressed concern about anti-social behaviour by some motorhome users.



I wonder what that might have been.

Snoring?

Apparently, so I've now found out, the main problem is that some people were parking there for up to a week and not moving. I really don't know what to believe. People still overnight there anyway. There were three overnighters last Friday.

twomercs
23-10-2011, 19:38
I wonder how legally they are able to differentiate between "Motor Caravans" (as the sign says) and cars, vans or lorries etc being able to park along there at specified times. Also there are just signs up every 25 yards or so, but no markings or lines along the roadway, does anyone know the legalities of this?

Pollik
23-10-2011, 20:56
I wonder how legally they are able to differentiate between "Motor Caravans" (as the sign says) and cars, vans or lorries etc being able to park along there at specified times. Also there are just signs up every 25 yards or so, but no markings or lines along the roadway, does anyone know the legalities of this?

Dubious, I would say. If I stay at a hotel, and park my motorhome, car, van, lorry outside, how can they discriminate against a motorhome? Council people frequently don't or can't think things through logically or legally...if it works, then that is good enough for them. There has been a growing trend over the last couple of decades of corporation, not just councils, that is it better value to simply do something on the basis that most likely no one will challenge it in court. The infamous Bathgate bus lane is an excellent example...poor signage, illogical laning, meant that the council was making some ludicrous figure, from memory around £5,000 per day from fines levied (and that is at the 50% discount if you pay early). Someone finally challenged in court, but £5,000 a day for over a year, say £200, 000 gross revenue from it. They didn't like the decision and are still digging their heels in over refunding people who were rooked over that year. After all, who would bother going to court over a £30 fine?

So, the unfortunate answer to your question is that it would most likely need to be tested in court. And that costs money. Perhaps a class action might fare better.

Another way is to make a bloody nuisance of yourself under the Freedom of Information Act, which they must by law respond to. Challenge them to state chapter and verse about the legislation they are making the order under...don't let them wriggle away from answering the question. Challenge them, under FOI, as to what they actually mean by motorhome (anything from a small van conversion to 40 foot pusher RV. If cars and coaches are not banned from parking, then why is a MH discriminated against. If they claim that it is camping, challenge them to define camping. It is entirely possible for a MH to be parked and still provide sleeping accomodation. If they claim no overnight sleeping, what about the tired driver who cannot afford a hotel, but needs to sleep before resuming their journey...is he banned too? If not, then why are motorhomes?. If he is, then why don't the notices make that clear?

Ask them how long they need to respond substantively and hold them to it...be relentless in keeping the pressure on them and keeping them wrong footed.

The thing to remember is that they have to rely on legislation for their powers and the law is really not all that clear on motorhomes.

But nothing is likely to happen unless and until the council is pushed into a corner and forced to act legally and rationally.

It can be an exhausting and frustrating process.

What I have described above is all general principle stuff...I have no idea at the moment what the law actually says, but it is not me that needs to know. It is the council that needs to know, initially.

(I think I am having one of those days, today. )




Polly

twomercs
26-10-2011, 19:01
I have read elsewhere that these signs have no meaning unless there are either single or yellow lines on the road bringing attention to the signs - anyone able to confirm this?

twomercs
14-11-2011, 11:07
I requested information under FOI as to which legislation they were using to single out Motorcaravans from any other vehicles and have just received this reply. Any comments???

The legislation refers to a prohibition of caravans contained in Article
42 of The Kent County Council (Whitstable) (Traffic Regulation And Street
Parking Places) (Amendment No. 2a) Order 2011 which came into force on the
23rd September 2011.



Please note that the above order will be superseded by a new consolidated
order in a few weeks.



If you are unhappy with the way your enquiry has been dealt with, you may
ask for an internal review through the council’s ‘comments and complaints
scheme’, by e-mailing [1][email address] or by
following the procedure set out in the council’s website page.
Alternatively you can telephone Matthew Archer on 01227 862 175 or Janet
Taylor on 01227 862 017.



If you are still dissatisfied after an internal review, you may appeal to
the Information Commissioner, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow SK9
5AF.





Freedom of Information Support

Canterbury City Council

CANTERBURY

CT1 1YW

keith-17
07-12-2011, 12:30
The order says caravans ...NOT motorhome's ..the sign says motorhomes but then it surely matters what the order refers too and not the road side waste of money says ?
its also worth checking to see if the regs regarding the signs themselves has been followed , if the sign don't match the specs then they are worthless :)
you would think with the state of the roads around the area the money could be much better spent :(

twomercs
20-01-2012, 09:02
I wonder what rule applies if you park overnight displaying a blue disabled badge which allows you to park on yellow lines?

twomercs
24-01-2012, 08:30
THIS ANSWERS MY QUESTION:

The position is that any vehicle with a blue badge may park for up to
three hours on a double or single yellow line provided there is not a
loading restriction in place. However if there is for example an overnight
ban in force in relation to motor caravans for a selected area then this
would take precedence and the right to park with the blue badge would not
be available on the yellow lines during that period .

If you are unhappy with the way your enquiry has been dealt with, you may
ask for an internal review through the council’s ‘comments and complaints
scheme’, by e-mailing [email address] or by following
the procedure set out in the council’s website page. Alternatively you
can telephone Matthew Archer on 01227 862 175 or Janet Taylor on 01227 862
017.

If you are still dissatisfied after an internal review, you may appeal to
the Information Commissioner, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow SK9
5AF.

Claire Hawken
Freedom of Information Support
Canterbury City Council
CANTERBURY
CT1 1YW
01227 862 534

twomercs
17-05-2012, 06:24
I noticed at the weekend that the signs restricting parking of Motor Caravans between 6.30pm and 8.30am have been erected BUT no yellow lines or roadmarkings have been added. Does anyone know the regulations, are these signs enforceable?

twomercs
21-05-2012, 11:19
I requested info from the local council re above posting and this is their reply:

Thank you for your Freedom of Information request.



Our response is as follows:



The restriction is mandatory and not optional.



The signs have been authorised by the Department of Transport on the basis
that no road markings are necessary.


I am still not sure on the legalities as I thought yellow lines were obligatory!!!

keith-17
31-05-2012, 18:25
i like the caravans ban but not including motorhomes .. :) ..might have to try that and print a copy of the order ans stick it in the window of the van ...i have noticed that there are no parking restrictions in the roads leading to the front ..maybe i'll park there instead :ninja:

what they should be banning are the twats who tear upand down in their cars and the locals whose dogs **** there and dont pick it up !!!!:mad2:

REC
28-06-2012, 19:22
Agree it is stupid where the council have put up signs, but in meantime it is possible to drive through swalecliffe and on the B2205 , follow the road into Hampton area of Herne Bay and turn left towards the sea. Go past the carpark (height barrier!) and there is parking all along the seafront with no restriction. Opposite the end of Albany Drive there is a tap behind the beach huts right on the beach pathway. There are public toilets in both directions(near the peir and at the fishing club and also in Hampton carpark) but they get shut early evening. Dogs are restricted on the beach further towards the town, but it is a ten minute stroll (max) into the town with shops pubs cafes and restaurants.

Chevycouple
06-09-2013, 08:00
Although the overnight parking is restricted on Marine Crescent there are no restrictions on the main Marine Parade which is the main Tankerton seafront road, it is actually a nicer spot without the smell of the sewage works and none of those nasty teenagers on there skateboards.:cheers:

Allanm
09-09-2013, 19:21
As a local resident and one time council employee, I also cannot understand the logic in erecting the signs and banning motor caravans. ( this is a DVLA term, tharlts why the council use it)
Another issue in the area is damage to the Beach huts in that end of the road. I did suggest, at a council meeting, that the motorhomes should be encouraged and signs erected asking for their help in identifying any ASB around the beach huts
I guess putting a few signs up banning Motorcaravans was the easy option.
And you can complain to the police about boy racers, cars screaming around B&Q and Sainsburys car parks till you are blue in the face. They have no interest in attending any snti social behaviour incidents
That's why I' m moving to Frsnce where councils envourage motorhomes because they understand the importance of thd revenue they bring to their towns
Allan

Chevycouple
09-09-2013, 20:55
Re my last post, total lie!!! it appears that the council have fitted the sign's now that exclude motor caravans from Marine Parade as well, literally in the last week or two, we ended up on the sea road between Broadstairs and Ramsgate and had a great weekend, really recommend Broadstairs, good food, pubs, music, and lovely walks along the sunny, sandy beaches under the cliffs.:wave:

dsj1979
10-02-2014, 08:08
Does this kind of behaviour equate in anti-social severity with the parking of a motorhome overnight? I don’t think so. I believe the whole issue about motorhome parking is based on discrimination, engendered by a popular, but largely mythological stereotype of ‘travellers’ and their supposed ‘law-breaking’ activities. The ongoing issue at Dale Farm in Essex perpetuates such nonsense. If people object to motorhomes and camper vans on purely aesthetic grounds then I would ask them to look at some of the other ugly monstrosities which are, presumably, allowed to park anywhere they choose on any section of unrestricted road: I refer to things like ‘Warrior’ pick-up trucks, Land Rover Defenders (both vehicles which are completely superfluous in an urban environment), plus countless other works’ vans and trucks.


Your argument became lost on me when you started becoming judgemental on Warrior pick-up trucks and Land Rover Defenders, not to mention £15,000 cars, 4x4 tanks and armoured personnel carriers - or rather than judgemental, should I use your words 'discrimination'. Surely this is the same attitude which saw the TRO being actioned in Tankerton? Assuming to understand and stereotype people who drive a 4x4, or expensive car just as others believe driving a motorhome is tantamount to being a pikey? Shame on you!

dryad
18-07-2014, 10:03
Re my last post, total lie!!! it appears that the council have fitted the sign's now that exclude motor caravans from Marine Parade as well, literally in the last week or two, we ended up on the sea road between Broadstairs and Ramsgate and had a great weekend, really recommend Broadstairs, good food, pubs, music, and lovely walks along the sunny, sandy beaches under the cliffs.:wave:

yes, as you rightly said, the restrictions now apply along the whole length of marine parade from 6.30pm until 8.30am for motor caravans only, effectively stopping anyone who has enjoyed the day there from popping into a local pub/restaurant for an evening meal..
the restriction also applies along some of the smaller local roads off marine parade too..
just wondering if blue badge motorhome users will be able to park for a further three hours to be able to do so?
i.e, from 6.30pm until 9.30 pm..
think i will phone canterbury council to ask what the position is..

colinm
18-10-2014, 12:07
Hello I'm appalled being a blue badge owner living in herne bay that i a person whom pays road tax can not park at tanker ton slopes watch the sun go down or the firework displays this is against my rights to park .
with regards to the freedom of information , i believe that the council can not refuse this information as it does not meet any of the criteria for refusing i.e. of commercial gain .
Im also applied that one person has evoked this change in parking , ( this stinks of someone with political sway ) It states the a public consul;ration should be heard and there has been no public meetings for the expenditure of my council tax on these signs .
They have quoted using an act that is for caravans not camper vans , the definition should be clarified , as many camper vans do little milage perhaps if the authorities would like to give lower tax as they wish to cut parking abilities and impose height barriers in many places , I'm not sure obstructing the air space is allowed so height barriers may actually be illegal also . i am fed up with those whom have sway getting their own way , we as humans have rights and are supposed to be equal and without discrimination
I shall continue to park there
regards
colin



Well, today I had a reply from Parking Enforcement at Canterbury City Council. Here it is:

The prohibition of motor home parking in Marine Crescent was requested by a resident. Following public consultation councillors at the Joint Transportation Board recommended that the prohibition was implemented and the City Council’s Executive resolved to support the recommendation and implement the prohibition.

I know that our enforcement team and the Police are very aware of the issues that you refer to in Herne Bay and are doing what they can to address this.

Richard Jenkins
Senior Transportation Officer
Transportation Team
Canterbury City Council
Military Road
Canterbury
CT1 1YW

...and here's my response to it:

Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your response to my query. If nothing else, it restores my faith in democracy that one single person can, because of their objection to a perfectly reasonable and harmless activity (i.e. parking a fully-licensed private road vehicle and sleeping in it overnight), persuade the council to instigate a prohibition.

In regard to the ‘boy racer’ problem, I’d still like to know what ‘doing what they can to address this’ amounts to. We are talking here about an ongoing and unimpeded social nuisance which, I know for a fact, many people have complained about over the years. It disturbs our evenings, it disturbs our sleep and it inhibits our choices in the rightful enjoyment of our own homes – for instance, having to keep windows closed on warm evenings, having to use headphones when listening to music or the television, and having to use ear plugs when trying to sleep. The sleep disturbance also affects our efficiency at work, which has implications of a much wider nature. A recent measure introduced by the council to try to counter this problem was to install a speed bump at the entrance to the car park. This, if you’ll forgive me, amounts to using a Band-Aid to fix a broken leg. In fact, it probably adds to the enjoyment of these people by giving them an additional challenge for practising their stunt driving. One evening during the summer, I saw a car spin a ‘doughnut’ so fast in the trailer area of the car park that one of his back tyres caught fire. This was quite early in the evening, too, when there were a number of pedestrians in the vicinity.

Does this kind of behaviour equate in anti-social severity with the parking of a motorhome overnight? I don’t think so. I believe the whole issue about motorhome parking is based on discrimination, engendered by a popular, but largely mythological stereotype of ‘travellers’ and their supposed ‘law-breaking’ activities. The ongoing issue at Dale Farm in Essex perpetuates such nonsense. If people object to motorhomes and camper vans on purely aesthetic grounds then I would ask them to look at some of the other ugly monstrosities which are, presumably, allowed to park anywhere they choose on any section of unrestricted road: I refer to things like ‘Warrior’ pick-up trucks, Land Rover Defenders (both vehicles which are completely superfluous in an urban environment), plus countless other works’ vans and trucks.

In view of this prohibition, I shall in future be driving my estate car to Marine Crescent on Friday evenings and sleeping overnight in the back. That way I can continue to get a peaceful night’s sleep without troubling anyone else, and I won’t be in breach of any parking by-law.

Thank you again for your response.

Yours sincerely, etc.

PS As ‘a resident’, can I demand a public consultation about the ‘boy racer’ issue, please?

I look forward to hearing from you.


...which I duly did:

Dear Mr Marman

Public consultation only takes place when a firm proposal is being considered.

We deal with civil enforcement, mainly to do with car parking, both on-street and in car parks, but the sort of public order issues that you describe can only be addressed by the Police since they fall under the criminal law.

Richard Jenkins


...to which I further responded...

Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your further response. However, I am still far from satisfied. As you said in your first response, the prohibition of motor home parking in Marine Crescent was requested by a resident – and this request was clearly sufficient cause to instigate a public consultation. If one person can achieve such a response based on what was, I can only presume, a largely aesthetic objection, then why can’t a more serious issue – and one affecting a larger number of people – achieve a similar level of attention?

The anti-social behaviour element of the ‘boy racer’ issue may fall under criminal law, but their behaviour amounts to misuse of a council car park. Surely, then, you could institute some form of civil enforcement to prevent such misuse. I have already suggested that a barrier be installed, so that the car park can be closed between certain hours of the night, with pass keys being made available for essential users such as fishermen. As an afterthought to that, such a measure would also prevent motorhomes and camper vans from using the car park to park up overnight. Effectively, then, you would be dealing with two ‘anti-social’ issues for the price of one.

Perhaps you can give this idea some further consideration.

Yours sincerely, etc


Oh, I love baiting these petty officials!


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