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runnach
10-06-2012, 20:43
I wont bore you with the details, job a bit iffy with austerity cuts, I'm far from thin ice, so could be a lot worse. But I did not know this 4+ week ago.

I applied for a vacany at an institute in Saudi Arabia :idea-007:, got the job but, T&C's not to my satisfaction. I was miffed with T&C's and told them to Rrrrrrrrrrrram It........nicely. So, being a tad miffed, I did what the ladies do, bit of retail therapy, hence new vehicle :blah:

Being a sad git, I have just this moment checked my work email inbox (actually method in madness, to see if any chit waiting for me) to find a revised offer, basically offering me salary I asked for in the first place, now here's the conumdrum, do I swap the dune of Achmelvic Bay, for the dunes of Arabia, sell my recent purchase, to be replaced by a camel, one hump or two does not matter.

What do you think?????

:cheers:

Teffy
10-06-2012, 20:51
That's a difficult one! Follow your heart, I'd say. Working in an Arab country can be difficult but financially very rewarding, one of my lads has done quite a bit of it. Best of luck!

donkey too
10-06-2012, 20:57
I spent years in Saui and the Oman and would go back tomorrow. Love the Arabs and their culture. So go, go go,
By the way I will look after your new motor for you.:lol-053:

maingate
10-06-2012, 20:58
Saudi is OK ..... if you are a Masochist.

No alcohol for a start (but there are ways around that, I can supply a recipe for wine).

It depends where you are, particularly East coast (strict) or West coast (Jeddah and a bit more relaxed). I spent some time constructing King khalid Military City (not single handed) and it was the pits. Luckily there were loads of Glaswegians for company. :cheers:

What are the leave cycles? You need to be aware of Income Tax liabilities. You used to be allowed 1 day at home for every 6 abroad.

If there is a decent sized Expat community then you will be alright. Somebody always has some booze somewhere but be careful. I once drove through a lot of Police checkpoints with 2 bottles of Saddiqi in my pickup. It took half of one of them to stop the shakes when I got back to my apartment. :scared:

scenictraveller
10-06-2012, 20:58
i would say take the job,more money than here,and if you make loads more you get a biiger van when u return :)

sinner
10-06-2012, 21:22
Go man go, leave the van with me :-) you know it makes sense and I will look after I t well :-)

runnach
10-06-2012, 21:25
Them phafing about has cost me a few k in potential voluntory severence, which I had spelled out to them in great detail (I knocked back same job this time last year due to poor T&C's)

I've worked Egypt and Jordan, so know how the latter two work, SA is a totally different kettle of fish. Two year contracts (for what it is worth) worries me a tad when they take so long to make their mind up!!!!

I'm leaning towards the dunes of Achmelvich..........at least a decent pint can be had there!!

runnach
10-06-2012, 21:27
Go man go, leave the van with me :-) you know it makes sense and I will look after I t well :-)

Aye Rrrrrrrrrrrrrright, you come oot the woodwork when a FREEBIE is looking atcha...........hehe...........how was France?

sinner
10-06-2012, 21:31
Aye Rrrrrrrrrrrrrright, you come oot the woodwork when a FREEBIE is looking atcha...........hehe...........how was France?

Was great mate, just getting van sorted out as we are away for 7 weeks on the 22nd lol
O that's right give me a hard time for trying to help out a mate lol I was only looking after your best interests lol

ellisboy
10-06-2012, 21:35
It doesn't rain there! :banana::banana::banana:

runnach
10-06-2012, 21:37
Was great mate, just getting van sorted out as we are away for 7 weeks on the 22nd lol
O that's right give me a hard time for trying to help out a mate lol I was only looking after your best interests lol

Aye, mate wi keys and full bottles o gas, gives WC a whole new meaning!!

Seven weeks..............bloody hell, I thought I had it tough with six weeks off!!!

Where you going????

maingate
10-06-2012, 21:39
It doesn't rain there! :banana::banana::banana:

Oh but it does!

Not very often but it causes chaos. My mates car was floating down the street in Jeddah, with him in it. :lol-049:

sinner
10-06-2012, 21:47
Aye, mate wi keys and full bottles o gas, gives WC a whole new meaning!!

Seven weeks..............bloody hell, I thought I had it tough with six weeks off!!!

Where you going????

Dono lol turning right once off the ferry, prob south o France, Portugal and Spain then home so if anyone see's a mad jock running about just gives a wave as I am training for the Glasgow 1/2 marathon 2nd sept :-))

runnach
10-06-2012, 21:53
Dono lol turning right once off the ferry, prob south o France, Portugal and Spain then home so if anyone see's a mad jock running about just gives a wave as I am training for the Glasgow 1/2 marathon 2nd sept :-))

Half a wee jollie around the weedge, and you require 7 week hol in Europe.............sounds likes a good plan to me!!

Cheer.............

sinner
10-06-2012, 21:57
Half a wee jollie around the weedge, and you require 7 week hol in Europe.............sounds likes a good plan to me!!

Cheer.............

Its not me sir its the kid, she had a liver transplant and also has a bone disease so the sun is great for her (thats my excuse and i am sticking wi it) also i am doing the marathon for the Ghilderns Liver Disease Foundation :)))

Feel free to donate lol :)))

Alan Blues is fundraising for Children's Liver Disease Foundation (http://www.justgiving.com/Alan-B)

runnach
10-06-2012, 22:06
Nae bother bud, you have a defo 20 from me, hope you pile it in for such a good cause, I will tie in with accordingly for payment, hope others do too!

I reckon another wee earner for the cause, a fin there and back from North Berwick to Craigleith, and back, reckon I'm good for this............Wheeeeeeeeeeze:banana:

sinner
10-06-2012, 22:36
Nae bother bud, you have a defo 20 from me, hope you pile it in for such a good cause, I will tie in with accordingly for payment, hope others do too!

I reckon another wee earner for the cause, a fin there and back from North Berwick to Craigleith, and back, reckon I'm good for this............Wheeeeeeeeeeze:banana:

LOL the 1/2 is just my warm up i am hopping to do the Edinburgh in may next year, also going to try and do other stuff thru the year, the wee one did the tree top chalange at go ape down in bolton the other week, she was well chuffed and got 120 in donations :))

Byronic
11-06-2012, 09:03
[QUOTE=maingate;198022]Saudi is OK ..... if you are a Masochist.

No alcohol for a start (but there are ways around that, I can supply a recipe for wine).

It depends where you are, particularly East coast (strict) or West coast (Jeddah and a bit more relaxed). I spent some time constructing King khalid Military City (not single handed)


That was many years ago or at least it was when I spent (wasted) 6 months on the Architect/Design team for that monster ugly project. Most boring repetitive "architecture" in the world was there enough sand in the empty quarter for the concrete? Just glad that I was stationed in London, one site visit to Saudi was enough.

Ended up going to Dubai much more relaxed laid back environment (for us western expats) but I hated the way certain people/workers were exploited often by ex pats who suddenly find themselves relatively wealthy and surrounded by desperate immigrants, and the fact eg that some sections of the population were allowed alcohol (with license) others not, 6 months was enough for the experience even big money wasn't enough to make me stay.

maingate
11-06-2012, 10:44
[QUOTE=maingate;198022]Saudi is OK ..... if you are a Masochist.

No alcohol for a start (but there are ways around that, I can supply a recipe for wine).

It depends where you are, particularly East coast (strict) or West coast (Jeddah and a bit more relaxed). I spent some time constructing King khalid Military City (not single handed)


That was many years ago or at least it was when I spent (wasted) 6 months on the Architect/Design team for that monster ugly project. Most boring repetitive "architecture" in the world was there enough sand in the empty quarter for the concrete? Just glad that I was stationed in London, one site visit to Saudi was enough.

Ended up going to Dubai much more relaxed laid back environment (for us western expats) but I hated the way certain people/workers were exploited often by ex pats who suddenly find themselves relatively wealthy and surrounded by desperate immigrants, and the fact eg that some sections of the population were allowed alcohol (with license) others not, 6 months was enough for the experience even big money wasn't enough to make me stay.

I commissioned and then maintained the Pre-Cast plants at KKMC. No shortage of sand (or water surprisingly as there was a deep aquifer a few thousand feet underground). Luckily I was offered a commissioning job on the Sasol refineries in South Africa. Much better money and better conditions overall.

The Jocks at KKMC used to brew their own wine. They put 5 times too much sugar in the brew and did not have the patience to leave it to ferment. The result was a potent hooch that got you drunk but gave you the worst hangovers imaginable. It even took the pattern off the lino if you spilled some (seriously) and your flip flops stuck to the lino as well. :lol-049:


In Oman, I had a drinks licence. If you falsified your salary (upwards), the amount of alcohol was sufficient for a few people. Getting a licence depended on what job you did (or what it said on your Passport). For instance, an Electrician could not get one but mine said Mechanical Engineer and was OK.

I agree with you about it being a hard way to earn a crust. Most people jack in quickly and never do it again. I did it for about 20 years (off and on), it gets easier if you adapt to a certain frame of mind or you are an idiot like me. :p

Byronic
11-06-2012, 12:11
Ah those precast units I remember them all right, I can't remember how many variations but all with a vestige of Arabic design and all bolted to the r c building frame via steel cleats and nibs just as in the traditional Bedouin manner!!! The kitschiest of kitsch designs. I would never include this experience on my c.v!!
I worked for PRC Architects Division on the initial design of the buildings, the actual working drawings for Precast Units and other elements were done by a specialist precast subbie possibly your outfit?

maingate
11-06-2012, 12:21
Might have been but all of the pre-cast was done by a Dutch firm (Interbeton) who I worked for.

The US Corps of Engineers oversaw the project, which was run by MKSAC (Morrisen Knudsen Saudi Arabian Consortium). The job was priced on a 'Cost Plus' basis and the corruption and cost was mind blowing.

Byronic
11-06-2012, 13:56
It seemed to me that ultimately everything was controlled by the US of A. until I worked for them, I didn't know PRC were American and that the second largest construction co. in the world, Bechtel was the biggest.
I don't know of the co's you mention, hardly surprising because as you would know it was a gigantic project. Personally I hope you used sea sand in the mix, and as a result the place has disintegrated.
My sojourn in Dubai was just as a result of the Royal Families decision that they wanted the tallest building in the Arabian Gulf. It was never more than 10% occupied and there wasn't any real purpose to having it constructed other than prestige, not very motivating but the money almost made up for it.

maingate
11-06-2012, 14:11
Same as the Bauscher Sports Stadium and Sports Complex I did the Pre-Cast for in Oman. :D

Byronic
11-06-2012, 14:50
I did visit Oman a few times drove from Dubai through the desert via dual carriageway strips of blacktop, just an empty sentry box/custom office at the frontier so just entered illegally. Not so oil rich or plain rich as Dubai, I think the oil grade was heavy, ok for industrial uses, whereas Dubai was light crude ideal for petrol. I expect you know all that. I was only there for 6 or so months.

Many of those oil rich Middle East dynastic families own much of the property on the Spanish coast. Here's hoping their interests are invested in the unsaleable useless empty urbanisations that plague the Spanish economy at the moment. They can afford it.

runnach
11-06-2012, 16:05
This job is Jeddah based, working in an institute and run by one the worlds largest construction companies. This is the second occassion I knocked them back for poor T&C's. Worries me a little how stubborn they are, also for the fact, I could up sticks and go to them, then they change T&C's once I am settled in, not a lot I could do, bar rap it?

With you discussing Oman, it was 05/06 I was offered a technicians job at a uni in Muscat, was a good deal, with live in conditions. One day I was scanning "Middle East On-Line" to read about arrests of fundamentalists, some of whom were academics from uni religious faculty, this was enough for me to knock them back, which was a shame, as Oman is pro west friendly and beautiful country!!

Cheers.

ivecotrucker
11-06-2012, 16:31
Hi Runnach. Do you think they might be struggling to fill their vacancy, and if so, why ??.

I've never been to the M East nor do I particularly want to. I was offered a job (motorway landscaping) out there xx years ago but on looking further into I decided not to bother, even though the would have been helpful at the time.

Byronic
11-06-2012, 17:22
Most of these oil rich states get migrant labour from the Indian sub continent, Sri Lanka and Pakistan, pay them next to nowt, sometimes actually nowt, and sometimes take away their passports.
Labour can be so cheap they can afford to place these migrant workers on the central reservation of a road at maybe 100 metre spacing watering the grass all day long @40C, thats about the extent of their motorway landscaping careers.

ivecotrucker
11-06-2012, 18:01
You are probably right, Byronic !. The job offer I mentioned above was something to do with that.

runnach
11-06-2012, 19:54
Hi Runnach. Do you think they might be struggling to fill their vacancy, and if so, why ??.

Hi there,

I've no doubt institute can fill the vacancy ten times over, but if you pay peanuts (relatively speaking) you get monkeys.

Two off us (Brits) were offered positions last year, we both knocked them back to same reason, not enough 's.

When I enquired and re-applied, I got same offer as last year, I tried to negociate, with a deadline for them to reply to me accepting my terms by 31st May. They stuck with their original offer. I replied wishing the institute and their learners all the best in the future.

British guy running dept is spitting rivets with powers at be, I have the experience he requires to build the dept, he'll have to manage on his own, or employ more flipflops!!

Cheers.


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