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John H
21-06-2012, 12:56
Although this is not particularly well-framed, and although I doubt the whole system, I have signed this petition to get aires in the UK. It takes no effort to support it and you never know, somebody might listen.

Motorhome Freedom - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27376)

Have a happy if soggy longest day! :wave:

David & Ann
21-06-2012, 13:08
Hi John, Done.

Bigpeetee
21-06-2012, 13:12
Done

Randonneur
21-06-2012, 13:59
Done.

We can only live in hope that someone sees the light in government.

I think it needs a framework legal document bringing into law that gives councils the backing to provide an aire type network to give them the incentive to do it.

BambiOwner
21-06-2012, 14:26
Done it as well and put it on my face book for others to do

MORGANTHEMOON
21-06-2012, 14:33
Signed sealed and delivered John.

fishy & Nina
21-06-2012, 14:49
:ditto:

Devonlad
21-06-2012, 14:58
All Done

smillingjimmyc
21-06-2012, 15:12
Although this is not particularly well-framed, and although I doubt the whole system, I have signed this petition to get aires in the UK. It takes no effort to support it and you never know, somebody might listen.

Motorhome Freedom - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27376)

Have a happy if soggy longest day! :wave:

done, though still says same number (444)

wallyblackneck
21-06-2012, 15:23
hi, as good as your intentions are i dont see the govt ever allowing it, they dont get the concept of it, theres not enough of them do it, the few mp,s who do caravaning use sites. but the biggest thorn in the side is gypsys or travellers, any body who doesnt and never will grasp the concept of aires, like europe do, will see us as one step away from gypsys, last year my hymer dropped the dreaded 5th gear, near Lyon, i was forced to hole up over a long weekend break at a municipal camp site as the fiat dealer wouldnt let me park in his massive back yard. the lady who run the site was nice helpfull spoke good english etc but couldnt explain to me why half the site was full of eastern block gypsys camped out with little make shift gardens round their vans, plastic grass, gnomes, and a picket fence, kids and dogs running wild as they do, the french dont see gypsys as we do, they pay up front the same as any body else on sites. but they do keep english ,dutch and germans away from them. i did try to explain english arent as rude as the dutch and germans, it got lost in the translation!. I later went to north africa via Gibraltar on the way back to uk via madrid theres a massive roundabout on the ring road , got to be half a mile round it. theres a full encampment of romanian gypsys with wavy tin shacks fences horses tied up goats etc and they have been there for 2 years, they dont have hymers or motorhomes etc usuall trucks and massive caravans etc but again a different attitude to gypsys they seem tolerated if kept away from the rest of human life. they even have a few set up on the edges of industrial area,s and road side verges like we do here, they dont seem to suffer with theft and mess left behind from them as we do here in uk. I parked one night in the overspill car park at the rear of asda in park royal , london, done it many times before. woke up to find us surrounded by caravans parked all over the car park to make it awkward to get in /out/police etc. never heard them arrive, but they or ther kids i suppose had managed to dump rubbish and 3 neat piles of exrement with toilet paper near our van, they dont have toilets i guess! we got out asp, so that will be gated off in future. So in conclusion, untill they ever sort out the gypsy problem we will never get aires in any great number, i think. last yearI read in MMM magazine a scottish chap who was left a piece of land in a will wanted to turn it into an aire after much expense in tarmac kerbs , water and waste etc council said it constitutes a caravan site and wouldnt get a licence, he made it into a private car park pay and display, to meet their regs etc, then they put up signs no cooking or overnight parking , so day trippers cant barbque either! an aire doesnt fit in with their regulations as they dont know how to categorise it so in order to not upset the nimby,s they use the race/gypsy card to make it go away. I am a hgv driver , you try stopping in a layby from scarbrough to york on the A64 every layby has no overnight parking in, trucks are exemoted because they have drivers hours restrictions, you would think? but I have been moved on at 2 am by police they sign your tacograph on the back stating roadside parking infringment. so even the truckers get it in the neck! of course its the camp sit owners pressuring the council about lost revenue by allowing parking in laybys, and then they lose on council tax revenue, is it just all about the money.? Do we just sell up and go to french france? good luck you will need it.

BrianG
21-06-2012, 15:46
All signed up and even allowing for some members' pessimism no harm in trying. Don't ask don't get!!

David & Ann
21-06-2012, 15:46
All signed up and even allowing for some members' pessimism no harm in trying. Don't ask don't get!!

Precisely. Well said.

Firefox
21-06-2012, 18:04
Yes, agreed the UK Gov e-petitions system is stacked unfairly against any motorhoming issue.

There is an arbitrary limit of 100,000 sigs for them to take it further and this does not sit well with the number of motorhomes in the UK (130,000 or so). It would require a hugely unfair percentage of the motorhoming public to (a) Be online (b) See it, and (c) Be bothered enough to sign.

Lets face it, there are many motorhomers who want the facilities of campsites and are not interested enough to sign something like this.

It's not a question of being optimistic or pessimistic, it's one of just looking at the raw numbers available against the numbers required. Added to that, it is badly worded.

John H
21-06-2012, 18:07
I agree and, as I said in my original post, I don't put much faith in the system - but since someone has started the petition I feel that the most important thing is that as many people as possible sign it so that the powers-that-be cannot say that nobody is interested. I agree that there is zero chance of reaching the required number of signatures but lets not make it easier for our opponents to say that we are insignificant (even though we probably are! :)).

I do, however, take issue with your statement that the British public is concerned about being politically incorrect - most don't give a stuff in my experience :lol-053:

John Thompson
21-06-2012, 18:12
This has been attempted before. I was one of those that set up a petition, I got less than 1000 signitories.

The standard reply is that local authorities already have the power to set up campsite under the Caravan sites and control of Development Act 1960. Aire are just campsites.

The government consider this is a matter for authorities to bring about and the central government will not intervene further.

Aires have already been set up in the UK. Canterbury is an example.

John

dragonfl1e
21-06-2012, 18:18
Well, I'm willing to give it a go. E-petition duly signed :goodluck:

John H
21-06-2012, 18:58
ah....if only it were that easy to brainwash schoolchildren my job would have been a lot easier! :idea-007: I think you'll find that children pay more attention to their peers and to the prevailing youth culture of the day than to their teachers! ;)

john77
21-06-2012, 18:58
hi every one, i,ve signed but i can,t see it going through.:banana:

watchthis
21-06-2012, 19:36
Hi all


Well i signed so there:scared:

bye for now Freddie:wave:

johnmac185
21-06-2012, 21:03
Hi all


Well i signed so there:scared:

bye for now Freddie:wave:


me too, i'm all for it
John


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