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alwinrose
20-01-2013, 08:34
do you have a single passenger seat for transit?

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 10:45
Ditto, I'm after one too for my 2002 transit, I've seen a couple on ebay around the 50 - 80 price but with 20+ in delivery charges which makes it very expensive for a second hand seat. I'm going to have a look out in scrap yards to see if I can get one a bit cheaper.

I have seen a single seat for a Transit Connect on ebay which folds forwards which would be perfect for me, but not sure if it would fit into my Transit and I don't really want to have to drill new fitting holes etc in the floor, I'm hoping to be able to use the existing fittings / holes etc. Not sure what a Connect is, I keep meaning to google it.

I did want a swivel single front passenger seat but having seen the prices and assuming that it would be much more work to fit it, I've decided that a folding seat would do just as well, or even just a static seat which would give me space to get through to the cab from inside without having to try to worm my way over the top of the headrests.

Good luck with your hunt, I hope we don't end up in a bidding war on ebay!;)

Ste
20-01-2013, 12:26
I used to own a Transit Connect van with the folding seat. The seat is designed to fold flat to the level of the Connects van floor. To do this it has a small cushion under the floor to bolt to. I can't see it working in a normal Transit.
Although if you fit a single static seat. I could see the connect seat fitting in between, as when it folds flat, the rear of the seat back has cup holders and a large tray, which would work for me. Like you WvW I squeeze myself through the gap, luckily my bed is right behind my seat, so I've a soft landing!

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 12:49
Unfortunately the (big) dog's cage is right behind my seats so that he gets straight into it when the side door is opened and doesnt' get a chance to put mud all over the floor, and my bed etc. On top of the cage I have a wooden board which serves as my table top/ work space and my camping stove sits on that, held into place by means of a strap around the middle head rest (difficult to explain) - it's easy to move it but the prob is finding somewhere else for the cooker to be put out of the way, when the bed is down, whilst I try to wriggle over. It's awkward enough doing it in daylight, let alone if I had to do it in emergency by torchlight in the middle of the night, remembering to make sure I've got my keys with me as I wriggle over.

My plan is to remove the double front seat, and to fit a single passenger seat (or Transit Connect seat if it will fit) where the middle seat in the cab is, allowing a walk through where the seat right next to the passenger side door would be (the dogs cage is about 18" short of the sliding door so there could be a walk through along the side of his cage).

Problems exascerbated at present too as I broke the drivers door handle mechanism over New Year, I thought I'd unlocked it and it was just stiff and didn't know my own strength so at present can't open drivers door from outside and having to get in on passenger side and climb across :mad2:

Once it gets above zero degrees and the snow has gone, I'm going to dig out the Haynes Manual which Oldish Hippy discovered for me in a charity shop :bow:and take the inside panel off the door to see if I can fix it. I expect I need to find a new door handle from a scrap yard now aswell as a seat :sad:

There isn't much in the way of scrap yards round here but next time I'm down Lancashire way I might have a visit to the scrap yards at Altham - I used to live down that way so I know the area well (near you I think Ste).

Thanks for the info about the Transit Connect seat, Ste, I nearly bought one on Ebay on the off chance that it might fit but will now wait and save myself about 70.

Firefox
20-01-2013, 14:28
What I found with decent seats when trying to get one for mine is they are rarer than hen's teeth.

Everybody wants them and I'd say 50 to 80 was actually quite cheap for a good one. A lot does depend on the condition though. Some of them are out of high mileage delivery vehicles and to be honest the springs and rubbers can be totally knackered.

Also for the big vans, it's almost impossible to get a passengers seat. They all get made with drivers + a bench. So you may need to find a drivers seat and make do with that "handed". That's what I did in the end. But it's the drivers seats which have taken the battering in high mileage delivery vans.

I wish we had the old type scrap yards where you could walk round the vehicles and take things off yourself. They were cheap! But now they all seem to be closed due to elf and safety. The best round here is official vehicle dismantlers where everything is taken off and catalogued for you and you end up paying about three times as much for it :(

Good luck in your search!

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 14:46
I'm hoping that Ste can confirm that the scrap yards at Altham are still in business as it is a couple of years since I was down that way, and the recent new legislation regarding cash payments for scrap might well be the final straw for them. I have a look at the For Sale thread in the Ford Transit forum every now and again but nothing suitable so far.

But I did see this pic on FB yesterday which has given me something to consider...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152464483150305&set=pb.115524780304.-2207520000.1358696676&type=3&theater

gaz2676
20-01-2013, 14:49
a drivers seat is the same kindasorta we used drivers seat in sprinter the seat belt fittings are all there in frame but may be plugged up.....do you get my meaning

Ste
20-01-2013, 14:57
Unfortunately the (big) dog's cage is right behind my seats so that he gets straight into it when the side door is opened and doesnt' get a chance to put mud all over the floor, and my bed etc. On top of the cage I have a wooden board which serves as my table top/ work space and my camping stove sits on that, held into place by means of a strap around the middle head rest (difficult to explain) - it's easy to move it but the prob is finding somewhere else for the cooker to be put out of the way, when the bed is down, whilst I try to wriggle over. It's awkward enough doing it in daylight, let alone if I had to do it in emergency by torchlight in the middle of the night, remembering to make sure I've got my keys with me as I wriggle over.

My plan is to remove the double front seat, and to fit a single passenger seat (or Transit Connect seat if it will fit) where the middle seat in the cab is, allowing a walk through where the seat right next to the passenger side door would be (the dogs cage is about 18" short of the sliding door so there could be a walk through along the side of his cage).

Problems exascerbated at present too as I broke the drivers door handle mechanism over New Year, I thought I'd unlocked it and it was just stiff and didn't know my own strength so at present can't open drivers door from outside and having to get in on passenger side and climb across :mad2:

Once it gets above zero degrees and the snow has gone, I'm going to dig out the Haynes Manual which Oldish Hippy discovered for me in a charity shop :bow:and take the inside panel off the door to see if I can fix it. I expect I need to find a new door handle from a scrap yard now aswell as a seat :sad:

There isn't much in the way of scrap yards round here but next time I'm down Lancashire way I might have a visit to the scrap yards at Altham - I used to live down that way so I know the area well (near you I think Ste).

Thanks for the info about the Transit Connect seat, Ste, I nearly bought one on Ebay on the off chance that it might fit but will now wait and save myself about 70.

Sounds like you need one of the seats I sold. With my van being an ex crewbus, I had 5 seats in the rear all with seatbelts, I sold all 5 for 100 on Ebay. Bit like the single one here. http://http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Transit-Single-Double-Triple-Rear-Seats-New-Shape-Rear-/170975059989?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVe hicleParts_SM&hash=item27cee86015
Another alternative would be to look at adapting a seat from a people carrier.

If you coming down to the scrappy's don't forget to try Watsons at Salterforth. They tend to be a little cheapper than the altham guys. Head for the POI @ Salterforth from the download, go over the canal and continue for half a mile. They're half way up the hill in an old quarry.

Ste
20-01-2013, 15:03
I'm hoping that Ste can confirm that the scrap yards at Altham are still in business as it is a couple of years since I was down that way, and the recent new legislation regarding cash payments for scrap might well be the final straw for them. I have a look at the For Sale thread in the Ford Transit forum every now and again but nothing suitable so far.

But I did see this pic on FB yesterday which has given me something to consider...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152464483150305&set=pb.115524780304.-2207520000.1358696676&type=3&theater

As far as I know there's still a couple there. But there's plenty of alternatives nearby

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 15:16
Thanks v much for the ebay link, Ste, I'm going to be down in Merseyside in the next couple of weeks so have emailed him about what I want and I might get it at a decent price. I'd missed that one on ebay.

I've asked him if he would take the double in part ex ;)

outtolunch
20-01-2013, 16:54
But I did see this pic on FB yesterday which has given me something to consider...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152464483150305&set=pb.115524780304.-2207520000.1358696676&type=3&theater


fancy seeing that van on here I have been camped with it a few times

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whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 17:17
Hello fellow monkey fan. It was cos of Athene that I took up playing (or learning to play) the fiddle 30 years after last having played (or tried to play) at school. See you at a gig, no doubt. I'll be the one making horrendous screeching noises with a fiddle in a big white van (with a big black dog) ;-)

By the way, how did they do that with the front seats? Is it permanent or just whilst camping? Fab conversion, am very envious.

See you at Harefield Hall maybe? Dunno if 3DM will be there this year, it was great last year.

Firefox
20-01-2013, 17:35
The 3DM bus looks like a Renault Master (or clone) to me. Can see the split level of the cab/load bay which is a problem in converting.

The saving grace may be that Tranny Seats are more common than Renault ones.

gaz2676
20-01-2013, 17:59
the scrap yards round here you can wander round with your tools...... safety hat an hi vis vest also

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 18:04
Cheer's, didn't know there was scrappies up that way. Brampton's closer than Lancashire for me so I might have a drive up that way too. Have been promising to go up to Carlisle to visit a friend for ages and he's a trucker and proper petrol head so he'd probably quite enjoy a trip out to the scrappie with me. I'll give you a shout when I'm up that way and we could maybe meet up for a brew at the scrappie.

scampa
20-01-2013, 18:48
we could maybe meet up for a brew at the scrappie.

A Wildcamping meet at a scrappy? Now that's an idea!! :)

I had a similar problem trying to find a single passenger seat for my Transit van. The odd ones that I found were either a different fitting than mine or were going for a silly price. After a few weeks of fruitless searching, I solved the problem by cutting a double seat down to a 3/4 width. This left plenty of room for easy access from front to back, and also left more seat area than a single seat, useful if you like to store maps etc on it whilst driving.

I peeled the upholstery away to expose the tubular steel frame, then used a hacksaw to cut the frame to a suitable width. (Make sure that the parts of the frame that you cut away won't affect its strength/integrity for use as a single seat). So long as you are careful with a stanley knife when you cut the upholstery, you can re-fit it to make the finished seat look very neat and tidy. The MOT tester was happy with it as a single seat conversion, so there was no problem.

Alternatively, if you don't plan to carry a passenger (and are prepared to just drive past any attractive hitch-hikers!) you could just remove the seat completely, either temporarily or permanently. :):)

gaz2676
20-01-2013, 19:20
Cheer's, didn't know there was scrappies up that way. Brampton's closer than Lancashire for me so I might have a drive up that way too. Have been promising to go up to Carlisle to visit a friend for ages and he's a trucker and proper petrol head so he'd probably quite enjoy a trip out to the scrappie with me. I'll give you a shout when I'm up that way and we could maybe meet up for a brew at the scrappie.

sweet theres one real close to me but the one i mentioned first is best but ya never know... an cool yeah cuppa sounds good no probs ..your place or ours ????? lol

outtolunch
20-01-2013, 20:02
Hello fellow monkey fan. It was cos of Athene that I took up playing (or learning to play) the fiddle 30 years after last having played (or tried to play) at school. See you at a gig, no doubt. I'll be the one making horrendous screeching noises with a fiddle in a big white van (with a big black dog) ;-)

By the way, how did they do that with the front seats? Is it permanent or just whilst camping? Fab conversion, am very envious.

See you at Harefield Hall maybe? Dunno if 3DM will be there this year, it was great last year.

they are due to be there
LINE UP: Mark Chadwick, Dan Donnelly + special guest, In Echoes. Troubodour, Ferocious Dog, 3Daft Monkeys, The Gathering, New Groove Formation, Steve Wilson, Jon Palmer Band, Kimpergill Willy, Shanks Pony, Kath n the Kicks, Maelour Music and possibly more!

already booked an earlybird, must pace myself on the beers a bit better this year it all got a bit vague later on last year, that photo was at Bearded Theory 2010 the year after the tornado.

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 20:43
they are due to be there
LINE UP: Mark Chadwick, Dan Donnelly + special guest, In Echoes. Troubodour, Ferocious Dog, 3Daft Monkeys, The Gathering, New Groove Formation, Steve Wilson, Jon Palmer Band, Kimpergill Willy, Shanks Pony, Kath n the Kicks, Maelour Music and possibly more!

already booked an earlybird, must pace myself on the beers a bit better this year it all got a bit vague later on last year, that photo was at Bearded Theory 2010 the year after the tornado.

See you at Pateley Bridge then, gonna get my ticket this week. No way am I going down that track to the field again!!! Couldn't get back up it last year. Ditto re the beers, I had to go back to the van to eat and recover from the Old Rosy for an hour or so at teatime - I was sad but kinda relieved when they ran out of it.

I would love to go to Bearded, I have a few mates who go, but I can't cos of the dog. There's just me and him and we do everything together. I did think about maybe putting him in kennels near Bearded for a couple of nights but it adds another 30 ish to the cost, and it's already a bit pricey if you include the campervan ticket, especially for only 1 person. Last year I did Lakefest which was the same weekend as Bearded as they allow dogs and will prob do that again as Levs playing (although they said that last year...!!).

You're not too far from me, I often head up into the Durham Dales for a night or 2 - I'll PM you next time I'm up that way and we could meet if you fancy it. Cow Green is a good spot to play loud music late at night :cheers:

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 20:46
A Wildcamping meet at a scrappy? Now that's an idea!! :)

I had a similar problem trying to find a single passenger seat for my Transit van. The odd ones that I found were either a different fitting than mine or were going for a silly price. After a few weeks of fruitless searching, I solved the problem by cutting a double seat down to a 3/4 width. This left plenty of room for easy access from front to back, and also left more seat area than a single seat, useful if you like to store maps etc on it whilst driving.

I peeled the upholstery away to expose the tubular steel frame, then used a hacksaw to cut the frame to a suitable width. (Make sure that the parts of the frame that you cut away won't affect its strength/integrity for use as a single seat). So long as you are careful with a stanley knife when you cut the upholstery, you can re-fit it to make the finished seat look very neat and tidy. The MOT tester was happy with it as a single seat conversion, so there was no problem.

Alternatively, if you don't plan to carry a passenger (and are prepared to just drive past any attractive hitch-hikers!) you could just remove the seat completely, either temporarily or permanently. :):)

i might well attempt a cut down and will be asking you for more infor and / or photos of your seat before I do any cutting.

I have thought about removing the seat as I don't often have a passenger and if it's not too involved, it could always be put back in if I did have a passenger. I might try that in the first instance and see how it works.

GRWXJR
20-01-2013, 21:09
In case this helps....

I just fitted new 9well different seats into my LDV Convoy. The passenger seat was a bench seat, and like you the gap from driving to clambering into the living space was narrow, and the bench seat made the living space feel more cramped.

I wanted a pair of swivel captains seats. I took a gamble when i found a nearby pair of middle seats out of a Mitsubishi Delica people carrier thing on eBay, bid on them and won the pair for 72.

I was able to graft the base of the LDV seat onto the Delica seat using some 3mm galv plate and a few bolts. It was the passenger seat that was the problem, as the rails the seat came on didn't line up with any of the existing mounting points on the floor.

How I got around it was by using stuff called 'Unistrut'. This is stuff used by industrial electricians and so on to mount heavy electrical panels on walls, or to fabricate free-standing frames. Think of it as grown-up Meccano!

The unistrut is like box-section, but with one side slotted - so from the end it looks like a 'U' (only there is an internal 'lip' at the top of each upright).

I drilled the Unistrut at the base of the 'U' so that it could be bolted L-R across the van onto the existing F & R original seat floor bolt points in 2 rows (F & R mounting points). This meant that the rails on the seat I bought could be shortened to suit, and (as the rails run F-R) could be laid on top of the unistrut.

You can get al sorts of inserts that go into unistrut to enable things to be bolted to it. So I slotted in some M10 threaded inserts, and then bolted the seat rails to the Unistrut.

The good thing about unistrut is that of course it does not fix you to bolting at a specific point along its length, so in effect it is infinitely adjustable along its length for mounting things. So I was able to mount the seat just right (L -R) , so it could swivel 360 deg without clouting the passenger door etc. but without taking up any more of the centre space I wanted than necessary. The shortened seat rails still allow the passenger seat to be moved a fair bit back & forth, so when turned and move toward the back of the van, it allows the seat to be reclined more without fouling the dashboard. Overall it worked great.

If you had a seat without rails like mine, then you could simply use more unistrut to make some, then bolt the seats to 2 rows of unstrut oriented front to back, then lay these across the 2 L-R sections on the floor, and bolt together.

This stuff is WAY stronger than the van floor, so no need to worry if its up to the job - it is.

I realise its tricky to visualise my ramblings, so hope I've explained it ok. Places like CEF (City Electrical Factors) sell the stuff. If you want to see what the stuff looks like then there's an interweb site for them unistrut dot co dot uk.

Hope this helps!

whitevanwoman
20-01-2013, 22:30
In case this helps....

I just fitted new 9well different seats into my LDV Convoy. The passenger seat was a bench seat, and like you the gap from driving to clambering into the living space was narrow, and the bench seat made the living space feel more cramped.

I wanted a pair of swivel captains seats. I took a gamble when i found a nearby pair of middle seats out of a Mitsubishi Delica people carrier thing on eBay, bid on them and won the pair for 72.

I was able to graft the base of the LDV seat onto the Delica seat using some 3mm galv plate and a few bolts. It was the passenger seat that was the problem, as the rails the seat came on didn't line up with any of the existing mounting points on the floor.

How I got around it was by using stuff called 'Unistrut'. This is stuff used by industrial electricians and so on to mount heavy electrical panels on walls, or to fabricate free-standing frames. Think of it as grown-up Meccano!

The unistrut is like box-section, but with one side slotted - so from the end it looks like a 'U' (only there is an internal 'lip' at the top of each upright).

I drilled the Unistrut at the base of the 'U' so that it could be bolted L-R across the van onto the existing F & R original seat floor bolt points in 2 rows (F & R mounting points). This meant that the rails on the seat I bought could be shortened to suit, and (as the rails run F-R) could be laid on top of the unistrut.

You can get al sorts of inserts that go into unistrut to enable things to be bolted to it. So I slotted in some M10 threaded inserts, and then bolted the seat rails to the Unistrut.

The good thing about unistrut is that of course it does not fix you to bolting at a specific point along its length, so in effect it is infinitely adjustable along its length for mounting things. So I was able to mount the seat just right (L -R) , so it could swivel 360 deg without clouting the passenger door etc. but without taking up any more of the centre space I wanted than necessary. The shortened seat rails still allow the passenger seat to be moved a fair bit back & forth, so when turned and move toward the back of the van, it allows the seat to be reclined more without fouling the dashboard. Overall it worked great.

If you had a seat without rails like mine, then you could simply use more unistrut to make some, then bolt the seats to 2 rows of unstrut oriented front to back, then lay these across the 2 L-R sections on the floor, and bolt together.

This stuff is WAY stronger than the van floor, so no need to worry if its up to the job - it is.

I realise its tricky to visualise my ramblings, so hope I've explained it ok. Places like CEF (City Electrical Factors) sell the stuff. If you want to see what the stuff looks like then there's an interweb site for them unistrut dot co dot uk.

Hope this helps!


Thanks v much, this unistrut stuff sounds just the job, I'll definitely have a look at it.

GRWXJR
20-01-2013, 23:31
WVW,

Well it might help as it can give you the option of mounting a wider range of seats maybe - so if you can't find a single tranny passenger seat, then something else may be persuaded to fit.

As someone else said, a drivers seats can take a hammering. As mine came out of the back (well middle) of a people carrier, I think they've had a fair bit less wear & they still feel supportive, the foldable armrests and squab needed a session with some upholstery cleaner, but for what I paid for the 2 I'm well happy.

If you aren't after a swivel 'captains' seat then you could probably get something for not a lot of wedge by trawling the usual web places. When I was looking (I set up a keyword search and got email alerts), eBay had lots of non-swivel seats stripped out of minibuses (guessing bought for conversion and so all the seats became surplus) for typically 25 each (plus lots of P&P, so local much better!) - maybe something like that might do you? Sorry, but I have no idea how tranny seats mount to be more specific.

I took a gamble that I'd find a way to get the seats I bought to fit, and this unistrut stuff made it pretty straightforward without having to drill new holes and reinforce them, get bits welded etc. etc. I'd guess that any seat that has a base you can bolt to could probably be fitted with some of this stuff, a bit of head-scratching, a vice, drill, tape measure, hacksaw and a few cups of tea.

I was lucky in that I could bolt 2 runs of Unistrut L-R across some of the floor mounting threaded holes, which then lined up with the original adjustable seat rail welded tabs (for bolting the Mitsubishi seats into the original donor vehicle), so minimum faffing required, and (after the initial think & measure) the actual work to get my new seat installed took maybe 2 hours on my own.

As an aside - my 'new' seats had seat-belt receivers on the seat itself, and these used a different plug-in than my LDV ones. However (& its worth asking if you get a similar thing) if the seller has the original seat belt inertia reel unit(s) to go with the seat(s). I asked and the seller had the belts, and had no use for them, so he agreed that if I won the auction he'd throw them in with the seats, gratis. By installing the Mitsubishi inertia reel belts on the door pillars (pretty easy, bolted them on in the same way the LDV ones came off give or take a few washers), I was able to use the belt receivers on the seats, and get rid of the long, stalky, floor-mounted LDV belt receivers. Neater & less to trip over!

I've got it in mind to take some pics of 'Sully', then work out how to post them on here at some point (not that Sully is exactly photogenic mind!). If (when) I get around to it I'll try and get a shot of the passenger seat base mounting - a picture paints a thousand words and all that.

I've got the LDV Drivers seat (sans fore & aft rail base as its on my 'new seat') which (while not a sumptuous perch) is at least complete and no holes, tears etc. that you can have if you want it, as I have no need of it or its passenger bench sibling - they are just sitting here awaiting their doom. Doubt if its what you'd really want though, and as I'm in darkest Wales prob too much hassle.

GRWXJR
21-01-2013, 19:47
Hi WVW. I pulled my finger out after work and took some pics of Sully the Van, and the Unistrut seat mounting solution......

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The Unistrut lays L-R across the floor in 2 rows - one for the front mounts and one for the rear. I drilled it to match some of the pre-tapped and reinforced seat mount holes (note that there is probably some ones not currently used, to allow for different configurations of seating and the single/bench option, so you may be able to use ones not used now it they line up where you want 'em). I actually put mine across 3 bolt points (the 2 bench seat ones and the centre one for when a single seat is bolted in ) for extra strength. As the floor is corrugated (well, not flat) then where the bolts go into the floor I've packed under the unistrut with corner unistrut 90 deg corner brackets and washers so when tightened up I didn't crush the raised bits of the floor pan.

The longer strut length also means the unistrut is longer, so I could choose to move the seat over a wider range side-to side. If I move it all the way close to the door and turn the seat to face the door then recline it, I can get a continuous 'bed' across the driver and passenger seats. A child (or little adult) could sleep there I reckon. Ok, I don't need that, but its still cool that the adjustability is there. Where it is now it'll rotate 360 deg.

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This should show the end view of the unistrut. If you can make out a spring, then that has a threaded piece on top that is rested with gentle pressure against the inner lips of the strut - you move this where it suits you (I of course needed them to line up with the bolt-eyes on the seat rails) then simply bolt up tight (this clamps the piece with the spring under it tight against the lip and makes the whole thing solid). And that's it.

If you couldn't get the unistrut to line up perfectly then you can use brackets / angle iron / more unistrut to come up with a solution. Pretty much bolt down this stuff anywhere, then you can bolt something to it (even using more unistrut if you have a seat but no rails - the only thing you have to look out for is that you want the seat to end up at a sensible height, so a bit of measuring and offering it up is a good idea before attacking with gusto.

I'm sure there are more elegant solutions, but this is a pretty cheap, easily sourced and sorta universal solution I think. I don't know if anyone else has used the stuff for this, its just an idea I had.

whitevanwoman
21-01-2013, 20:04
Hi WVW. I pulled my finger out after work and took some pics of Sully the Van, and the Unistrut seat mounting solution......

11208

The Unistrut lays L-R across the floor in 2 rows - one for the front mounts and one for the rear. I drilled it to match some of the pre-tapped and reinforced seat mount holes (note that there is probably some ones not currently used, to allow for different configurations of seating and the single/bench option, so you may be able to use ones not used now it they line up where you want 'em). I actually put mine across 3 bolt points (the 2 bench seat ones and the centre one for when a single seat is bolted in ) for extra strength. As the floor is corrugated (well, not flat) then where the bolts go into the floor I've packed under the unistrut with corner unistrut 90 deg corner brackets and washers so when tightened up I didn't crush the raised bits of the floor pan.

The longer strut length also means the unistrut is longer, so I could choose to move the seat over a wider range side-to side. If I move it all the way close to the door and turn the seat to face the door then recline it, I can get a continuous 'bed' across the driver and passenger seats. A child (or little adult) could sleep there I reckon. Ok, I don't need that, but its still cool that the adjustability is there. Where it is now it'll rotate 360 deg.

11209

This should show the end view of the unistrut. If you can make out a spring, then that has a threaded piece on top that is rested with gentle pressure against the inner lips of the strut - you move this where it suits you (I of course needed them to line up with the bolt-eyes on the seat rails) then simply bolt up tight (this clamps the piece with the spring under it tight against the lip and makes the whole thing solid). And that's it.

If you couldn't get the unistrut to line up perfectly then you can use brackets / angle iron / more unistrut to come up with a solution. Pretty much bolt down this stuff anywhere, then you can bolt something to it (even using more unistrut if you have a seat but no rails - the only thing you have to look out for is that you want the seat to end up at a sensible height, so a bit of measuring and offering it up is a good idea before attacking with gusto.

I'm sure there are more elegant solutions, but this is a pretty cheap, easily sourced and sorta universal solution I think. I don't know if anyone else has used the stuff for this, its just an idea I had.


Thanks v much, I see what you mean now, I couldn't figure out how you'd done it. A picture paints a thousand words.

Has it passed MOT ok with the unistrut seating?

GRWXJR
21-01-2013, 21:28
Has it passed MOT ok with the unistrut seating?

No it hasn't as Sully had a new MoT when purchased in November.

The sister firm to where I work though does MoT' s so I know the Tester and he's a decent guy. I told him what I'd done, and his opinion (not seen it yet though) was that as the assembly was bolted to the original braced/reinforced floor as the original seat was, that he could see no reason why he should fail it. Also the seat belts are all on the correct pillar points as before of course.

He did say that he'd seen some where new holes had just been drilled through the floor pan for seats and weren't reinforced and he WOULD fail something like that. He said he'd been involved fitting extra seats & belts in minibuses, and you had to drill so they all went through a boxed reinforced section or they'd not pass inspection.

The original bench seat had 2 bolts as hinges on the front of the mounting tubes, and the rear just had latches with springs on a bit of bent metal that clipped into metal loops that were then bolted to plates on the floor at the back. Not exactly super-duper and thats the original set-up.

The unistrut has got to be 10x stronger than the original rear mount IMO, and it bolts to the reinforced parts of the floor so hopefully there's no issue - and although his comments support that, I don't have a 100% on it.

I wouldn't be surprised that, if I didn't mention it to a tester, that they'd notice the seat fixing - there's nothing to indicate its there from underneath as its the original bolt-holes, and it doesn't look flimsy inside. Thats just a guess though!

When I get the chance though, I will run Sully into work and get his professional opinion as soon as possible, so that I can be certain. I'll let you know when I do that what the outcome is.

GRWXJR
22-01-2013, 10:45
I managed to get hold of my MoT Tester colleague for a 2 mins just now and showed him the pics of my passenger seat mounting arrangement.

What he said was.....

1. The drivers seat HAS to be both secure and have adjustability, or its a Fail (I kept the original base no no probs there).

2. The passenger seat has to be secure (he reckons the unistrut is secure, and as long as that is secure to the vehicle no problem).

Interesting points he raised though....

3. If (like mine have), the new seats have on-board seatbelt receivers in use, then any rust holes in the floor or chassis underneath, whatever within 30cm of the seat mountings will cause a fail, as the seat itself is treated as a belt mounting point.

This 30cm thing doesn't apply to the floor around the seat if the belt receiver mounts elsewhere, but of course the rule still applies, just in a different part of the vehicle, but the area around the belt receiver mounting point instead.

(On the LDV, the stalky OE belt receivers are close to the seat mounts anyway, so makes little difference in my case I think. But if you had say a rusty footwell, then the seat would be closer to that than a normal belt receiver would be, and so would be inside the 30cm radius and cause a fail).

4. Rusty Sills often don't always mean Fail, but again, if the Sill corrosion is within 30cm of a mounting point, then it does.

From his helpful inputs (Thanks Bob!) basically it would seem that a rusty cab floor is going to cause you an MoT fail pretty much regardless, as chances are it'll be within a foot of one of the belt mount points, but a seat with a belt receiver on maybe moves the safe area to a more central floor spot, where it might change what's a pass and what's a fail due to geography!

Other than that, it seems there's nothing prohibiting using unistrut as the interface between the van and the seat :banana:

The key word being repeated is 'Secure' it seems :rulez:

whitevanwoman
22-01-2013, 11:20
I managed to get hold of my MoT Tester colleague for a 2 mins just now and showed him the pics of my passenger seat mounting arrangement.

What he said was.....

1. The drivers seat HAS to be both secure and have adjustability, or its a Fail (I kept the original base no no probs there).

2. The passenger seat has to be secure (he reckons the unistrut is secure, and as long as that is secure to the vehicle no problem).

Interesting points he raised though....

3. If (like mine have), the new seats have on-board seatbelt receivers in use, then any rust holes in the floor or chassis underneath, whatever within 30cm of the seat mountings will cause a fail, as the seat itself is treated as a belt mounting point.

This 30cm thing doesn't apply to the floor around the seat if the belt receiver mounts elsewhere, but of course the rule still applies, just in a different part of the vehicle, but the area around the belt receiver mounting point instead.

(On the LDV, the stalky OE belt receivers are close to the seat mounts anyway, so makes little difference in my case I think. But if you had say a rusty footwell, then the seat would be closer to that than a normal belt receiver would be, and so would be inside the 30cm radius and cause a fail).

4. Rusty Sills often don't always mean Fail, but again, if the Sill corrosion is within 30cm of a mounting point, then it does.

From his helpful inputs (Thanks Bob!) basically it would seem that a rusty cab floor is going to cause you an MoT fail pretty much regardless, as chances are it'll be within a foot of one of the belt mount points, but a seat with a belt receiver on maybe moves the safe area to a more central floor spot, where it might change what's a pass and what's a fail due to geography!

Other than that, it seems there's nothing prohibiting using unistrut as the interface between the van and the seat :banana:

The key word being repeated is 'Secure' it seems :rulez:

Thanks very much for all this really useful and interesting info. A thread worth printing out :cheers:

I think before I do anything I need to remove all carpets and do a thorough inspection and take photos of the floor and standard fittings etc !

GRWXJR
22-01-2013, 11:58
I think before I do anything I need to remove all carpets and do a thorough inspection and take photos of the floor and standard fittings etc !

Yes, I removed the flooring as it was wet anyway so I wanted to 'do' the floor. But anyway it makes it far simpler to work out what you (there's likely some unused threaded fixing points under there) and see what you can do / use.

When I fixed the unistrut to the floor I tried the seat fitted to make sure it was all ok where I wanted it. Its 2 min to take it in and out now as there are 4 easily accessible bolts holding it to the unistrut. So... I took the seat out again, then put the flooring back in place in the footwell, and laid it over the Unistrut left bolted in. Then, I could carefully cut using a Stanley to get the flooring to sit down around the Unistrut as neatly as possible.

Then I just plonked the seat back in place , and put the 4 bolts back in and tightened them up.

Makzine
26-01-2013, 15:09
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