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Talbot
24-10-2013, 21:27
The UK's Ban on Esoteric Websites Will Limit Free Thinking and Impact Small Businesses | Wake Up World (http://wakeup-world.com/2013/10/22/uk-ban-on-esoteric-websites-will-limit-free-thinking-impact-small-business/)

Smaug
24-10-2013, 21:37
Esoteric interest web forums, you mean like Wildcamping, Sailing & Vespa scooters? Classic Sledgehammer to crack a nut that will probably miss its actual target while causing massive collateral damage. Silly tossers we have trying to run our country!

Both petitions signed.

Talbot
24-10-2013, 21:42
Esoteric interest web forums, you mean like Wildcamping, Sailing & Vespa scooters? Classic Sledgehammer to crack a nut that will probably miss its actual target while causing massive collateral damage. Silly tossers we have trying to run our country!

Both petitions signed.

Agreed

NeilyG
24-10-2013, 23:32
Esoteric interest web forums, you mean like Wildcamping, Sailing & Vespa scooters? Classic Sledgehammer to crack a nut that will probably miss its actual target while causing massive collateral damage. Silly tossers we have trying to run our country!

Both petitions signed.

Hey, you're getting the right idea!
It all beggars belief really. There's no way this is going to get through. Just another example of government 'interference' doing more harm than good.

mariesnowgoose
25-10-2013, 06:00
Wtf?!

Are we being governed by the Saudis and nobody's told us?!!!

Anyway, doesn't this proposal completely conflict with laws on freedom of speech and freedom of information?

Beware: extremely dangerous b*stards in power right now :ninja:

(signed, btw)

mariesnowgoose
25-10-2013, 06:41
I suggest you try removing the wool from your eyes, Win ;) :)

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25-10-2013, 06:59

Seannachie
25-10-2013, 07:31
Shocking - didn't see this one coming!!!!

The UK's Ban on Esoteric Websites Will Limit Free Thinking and Impact Small Businesses | Wake Up World (http://wakeup-world.com/2013/10/22/uk-ban-on-esoteric-websites-will-limit-free-thinking-impact-small-business/)

Quite right too! I think ALL websites should be banned except for those belonging to the 'Government of the Day' which will tell us, ad nauseam, that we are living in the best of all possible worlds so there is no need for us to have any other information whatsoever.

:)

mariesnowgoose
25-10-2013, 07:50
I doubt it ;) :)

mark61
25-10-2013, 08:19
Load of nonsense, wheres the evidence to suggest the government intend to ban "esoteric" websites.

There is plenty of evidence to show they want to filter (thats filter, not ban) legal porn, because thats true, and there is plenty of evidence they want ISP's and search engines to deal with illegal porn, that also true. There is no suggestion of controlling anything beyond porn.

I think wild camping forums are safe for a while yet, no matter how you choose to define "camp" :)

sagart
25-10-2013, 08:25
Something similar was tried some years ago with newsgroups.
I could not access the sites relating to my Chevrolet Z28 as it was referred to as the F-body (series number) and our local Gp could not access newsgroups if the word "breast" was used.

Smaug
25-10-2013, 09:33
Load of nonsense, wheres the evidence to suggest the government intend to ban "esoteric" websites.

There is plenty of evidence to show they want to filter (thats filter, not ban) legal porn, because thats true, and there is plenty of evidence they want ISP's and search engines to deal with illegal porn, that also true. There is no suggestion of controlling anything beyond porn.

I think wild camping forums are safe for a while yet, no matter how you choose to define "camp" :)

I suspect the real targets are certain fundamentalist religious sects & specific countries perhaps, but 3d printing of guns is becoming an issue so gun forums could be targeted. But my fear is that laws are frequently drafted to "cover-all" with an initial small group of targets. But once the law is there, the interpretation is down to case law & there is little to stop individual Policemen deciding to interpret the law in a specific way.

A simple example is the RSPCA prosecution of the man who caught a grey squirrel in a trap & drowned it as the law prevents him from releasing it. The RSPCA said he caused the squirrel "unnecessary suffering" & he should have kept the animal in the trap, got an appointment at the vets, taken the squirrel there (still in the trap) & sat with the dogs & cats waiting for his turn so that the squirrel could be taken out of the trap & put down by the vet. Stupid magistrate agreed & he got a heavy fine. Drowning takes a couple of minutes, but the suggested vet rigmarole has to take at least 30 minutes of added terror for the animal - probably nearer an hour at our vets.

sasquatch
25-10-2013, 13:32
Winston smith-where are you?

Firefox
25-10-2013, 15:22
I'm wondering about the catch all "web forums" added to the list.

Surely they don't mean they are blocking ALL web forums? Something amiss with the wording, or things have been subtly added to sensationalise the article maybe?

It doesn't quite make sense, the way the list is presented.

Talbot
25-10-2013, 16:15
I'm wondering about the catch all "web forums" added to the list.

Surely they don't mean they are blocking ALL web forums? Something amiss with the wording, or things have been subtly added to sensationalise the article maybe?

It doesn't quite make sense, the way the list is presented.

That was the bit that concerned me. You have to read the article to the end to realise what the impact could be for web forums. It's also worth reading the individual comments section at the very end.

iveco4x4
28-10-2013, 19:11
No - he's a very well educated fool

shawbags
28-10-2013, 19:24
we're all doomed ! :wacko:.

vwalan
28-10-2013, 19:32
govt change . authority always stays . we only change the parties authority is the civil servants police chiefs health chiefs etc . they dont lose their job . only the party changes not the real authority .

maureenandtom
29-10-2013, 08:35
Don't know if this is relevant?

Fury at Facebook as login requests (http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/10/29/fury-facebook-login-requests-government-id-users?utm_source=Interspire&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The+Drum+Daily+Newsletter+-+29th+October+2013)

Admin
29-10-2013, 11:14
Well I have searched high and low and cannot find any evidence to support the claims made in that post. I have watched the video from open rights, but no where can I find this government document where it suggests that esoteric and web forums could be filtered.

My Opinion....

If the government forced ISP's to have a filter installed that is defaulted as on, but is control by the user I do not have a problem. This is provided that level of filtering is not automatically set at maximum. If the filter defaulted to porn, hate, terrorism, etc but allowed web forums unless added by the user thats fine. If you have a 3 mobile you will find that you have to ask to have the adult filter removed as it is on by default.

I am a parent and children having open access to the internet is not good, in the same way we control their intake of media from TV, books and games, we need to control the internet. Most 6 year old now have access to a device that allows the internet access. Not everyone understands the risks of the internet to their children and some parents really don't care. Also some parents don't know how to safely control internet access.

Finally government lists.....

Do I want the government to monitor people who download or view terrorist material? YES
Do I want the government to monitor people who preach extremist or hate material? YES

Being monitored by the organisations that we setup to protect us is not a problem to me, why? because I do not do anything that would be considered a threat. It seems to me that only people whole actually have something to fear from this, are those that the monitors are meant to catch.

Sorry just some of my thoughts.

geebus
29-10-2013, 11:31
It definitely seemed to come from Cameron.
Aimed at mumsnet style people, I reckon.
Which is ironic, as all those sorts of sites (and likely the daily mail etc) will also be put in the 'censored' pile.

Talbot
29-10-2013, 11:44
Well I have searched high and low and cannot find any evidence to support the claims made in that post. I have watched the video from open rights, but no where can I find this government document where it suggests that esoteric and web forums could be filtered.

My Opinion....

If the government forced ISP's to have a filter installed that is defaulted as on, but is control by the user I do not have a problem. This is provided that level of filtering is not automatically set at maximum. If the filter defaulted to porn, hate, terrorism, etc but allowed web forums unless added by the user thats fine. If you have a 3 mobile you will find that you have to ask to have the adult filter removed as it is on by default.

I am a parent and children having open access to the internet is not good, in the same way we control their intake of media from TV, books and games, we need to control the internet. Most 6 year old now have access to a device that allows the internet access. Not everyone understands the risks of the internet to their children and some parents really don't care. Also some parents don't know how to safely control internet access.

Finally government lists.....

Do I want the government to monitor people who download or view terrorist material? YES
Do I want the government to monitor people who preach extremist or hate material? YES

Being monitored by the organisations that we setup to protect us is not a problem to me, why? because I do not do anything that would be considered a threat. It seems to me that only people whole actually have something to fear from this, are those that the monitors are meant to catch.

Sorry just some of my thoughts.


There is perhaps a more detailed appraisal available here:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/uk-prime-minister-david-cameron-stop-the-unnecessary-censorship-of-esoteric-websites-and-web-forums

Firefox
29-10-2013, 11:53
Being monitored by the organisations that we setup to protect us is not a problem to me, why? because I do not do anything that would be considered a threat. It seems to me that only people whole actually have something to fear from this, are those that the monitors are meant to catch.

Yes, it's the thin end of the wedge though...

They end up collecting a wealth of data, which can then easily be abused by Govs or police to squash quite legal demonstrations eg Demos against Fracking or the Badger Culls.

Or it can be used to suppress/harass people on the fringe of society. It can turn the country into a police state, unless we keep very careful track on what they are doing or propose to do.

Talbot
29-10-2013, 12:10
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/cameron-stop-sleepwalking

Tbear
29-10-2013, 14:46
Esoteric interest web forums like the Conservative Web Site or the Masons maybe, being banned. Yeh!!!

Richard

Seannachie
29-10-2013, 14:59
Do I want the government to monitor people who download or view terrorist material? YES

Well that rather defines on how one defines 'terrorist material'.


Do I want the government to monitor people who preach extremist or hate material? YES

Who defines what is 'extremist' or 'hate' material?

Are Christian and Muslim believers who are violently homophobic on 'religious' grounds and announce themselves as such guilty of publishing 'extremist' or 'hate' material?


Being monitored by the organisations that we setup to protect us is not a problem to me, why? because I do not do anything that would be considered a threat. It seems to me that only people whole actually have something to fear from this, are those that the monitors are meant to catch.


That sounds like unlamented former Conservative leader Michael Howard's ridiculous assertion that, "Innocent people have nothing to fear!". The self-same spurious claim was made by such other 'luminaries' as Hitler, Stalin, Mao Se Tung, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Bush (Senior & Junior), and will be made by every control-freak from here to eternity.

I, for one, have done nothing to threaten the State, nor my fellow-citizens, but until I do so I expect to be left without unwelcome State interference and for my affairs to be private.

Just my peculiar opinion.


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