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zipnolan
03-11-2013, 02:33
Had my Fiat Ducato campervan remapped for more speed and more torque and to save fuel, had this done on my last vehicle and it made a great difference however the last time I had it done as a personal favour at mates rates by our company's mechanic (his side line) but this time a company in Macclesfield called "Blue performance" remapped it at a reasonable price. The Ducato is now a different vehicle and drives like a car but still waiting to add up the fuel savings (will post soon) I can better do this on my trip to Germany next month, watch this space ! but up to now I'm very happy with the power and the Umph I'm getting.

baloothebear
03-11-2013, 06:48
Just so I can find this post again. (I'm getting 26mpg & 22mpg towing a Smart car on a trailer - engine as yet unmapped 2.8JTD engine)

Alf
03-11-2013, 09:29
Have you notified your insurance company of the changes if so what was their reaction

Alf




Had my Fiat Ducato campervan remapped for more speed and more torque and to save fuel, had this done on my last vehicle and it made a great difference however the last time I had it done as a personal favour at mates rates by our company's mechanic (his side line) but this time a company in Macclesfield called "Blue performance" remapped it at a reasonable price. The Ducato is now a different vehicle and drives like a car but still waiting to add up the fuel savings (will post soon) I can better do this on my trip to Germany next month, watch this space ! but up to now I'm very happy with the power and the Umph I'm getting.

666jw
03-11-2013, 09:39
Mines a three year old Euro4 boxer PVC . Just back from a month in Scotland and did over 2000 miles. Apart from motorway miles at the beginning (200), all normal roads 36.7 mpg returned. I'm more than happy, but look forward to your findings. Good luck zipnolan.

witzend
03-11-2013, 12:05
Mines a three year old Euro4 boxer PVC . Just back from a month in Scotland and did over 2000 miles. Apart from motorway miles at the beginning (200), all normal roads 36.7 mpg returned. I'm more than happy, but look forward to your findings. Good luck zipnolan.

Has it been remapped ?

zipnolan
03-11-2013, 14:14
Have you notified your insurance company of the changes if so what was their reaction

Alf

No need to inform them as they don't/can't know.

zipnolan
03-11-2013, 14:16
Just so I can find this post again. (I'm getting 26mpg & 22mpg towing a Smart car on a trailer - engine as yet unmapped 2.8JTD engine)

my last fiat ducato (2006) was a 2.8 and after remapping I got 34mpg (keeping speed to a maximum 58mph) alas not towing.

Smaug
03-11-2013, 14:18
"Blue Performance" appears to supply marine products, have you got a link to the correct company?

mikejay
03-11-2013, 14:54
"Blue Performance" appears to supply marine products, have you got a link to the correct company?
Could it be Remap Manchester | DPF Removal | Car Specialists (http://www.performance-blue.co.uk/index.html)

zipnolan
03-11-2013, 15:09
"Blue Performance" appears to supply marine products, have you got a link to the correct company?

Sorry it's "Performance blue" and it's Facebook, here's the address

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Performance-Blue/367052893350958?fref=ts

philstoke
03-11-2013, 15:28
I'm sure I read somewhere that you either have an engine remapped for power or to save fuel, not both, as getting more power requires using more fuel

zipnolan
03-11-2013, 15:45
driving faster is an option

tranivanman
03-11-2013, 16:17
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ronste
03-11-2013, 18:21
Had my Fiat Ducato campervan remapped for more speed and more torque and to save fuel, had this done on my last vehicle and it made a great difference however the last time I had it done as a personal favour at mates rates by our company's mechanic (his side line) but this time a company in Macclesfield called "Blue performance" remapped it at a reasonable price. The Ducato is now a different vehicle and drives like a car but still waiting to add up the fuel savings (will post soon) I can better do this on my trip to Germany next month, watch this space ! but up to now I'm very happy with the power and the Umph I'm getting.

Been thinking about getting my ducato remapped for fuel economy and power be interested to find out how you get on on your trip with fuel savings , was it expensive to have it done?

Smaug
03-11-2013, 18:38
I'm sure I read somewhere that you either have an engine remapped for power or to save fuel, not both, as getting more power requires using more fuel

A slight increase in power means you can either go faster or use a smaller throttle setting, which could mean less fuel used. That's not so much about the remap as the driver is it?

vindiboy
03-11-2013, 18:44
What baffles me with this remapping and chipping engines is why don't the manufacturers do this from new if it is so good to have done , or do they think it is detrimental to the vehicle?

Seannachie
03-11-2013, 18:55
What baffles me with this remapping and chipping engines is why don't the manufacturers do this from new if it is so good to have done , or do they think it is detrimental to the vehicle?

My vehicle handbook for a 2013 Peugeot Boxer PVC states categorically that re-mapping or re-chipping voids Peugeot's 3 year warranty on the vehicle.

Alf
03-11-2013, 19:08
Just don't have an accident then the ECU will retain all history and should anyone check your insurance declared invalid due to modifications

Alf



No need to inform them as they don't/can't know.

Geoffiat
03-11-2013, 19:37
What baffles me with this remapping and chipping engines is why don't the manufacturers do this from new if it is so good to have done , or do they think it is detrimental to the vehicle?

In a word "yes"
Re-mapping (increasing power) puts extra stress on various shafts, clutch and gearbox..

I must add that this is not my opinion but the opinion of a mechanic friend of mine who has 50 years experience.

vindiboy
03-11-2013, 19:40
My previous van, an Hymer B694 tag axle had been chipped and I did not know this, it was a year old when I bought it at Stratford show from then Hymer UK Preston , after I had had it for 6 years the Turbo Intercooler radiator split down one of the welds , I was at Bury st Edmunds at the time, I took the van into the Fiat Dealers there to have it fixed, not a Fiat part they said [Intercooler Radiator ] must be a Hymer part, not a Hymer part say Hymer, I tracked it down via S n J at Poole to be a T B Turbo part [ Lancashire ] I contacted them for advice, and asked if I could revert back to a standard Fiat Intercooler radiator [ about a third of the size as the one fitted,] no they said the vehicle has been chipped and the fuel pump upgraded etc to suit the upgrade, so they sent down a new Radiator and it was duly fitted 600 that cost me, I then contacted my Insurance company and told them the saga, send us details of the upgrade and how it effects the engine they said. I contacted T B Turbos and got the relevant paper work, apparently all the upgrade did was to improve the mid range torque , did not increase the speed of the vehicle or improve MPG, the insurance company were happy with this and no extra premium was required .I do not know how the van would have performed without the Turbo upgrade , it went well as it was and was reasonably economical for it's size and weight .I eventually traded the van for the one I have now, I had the Hymer for ten years, So I wonder how many others have vans that have been chipped etc .and are unaware of this fact,if the selling dealer does not know or tell you how would you know ? T B Turbos are no longer trading as I understand it.

Teutone
03-11-2013, 19:41
What baffles me with this remapping and chipping engines is why don't the manufacturers do this from new if it is so good to have done , or do they think it is detrimental to the vehicle?

I have a friend who is clued up with engine management etc. He told me:

A) Manufacturer has to comply with emmission laws and variations between production engines.

B) As a manufacturer you have to keep it 110% save, not only 100% (there are some owners out there which don't care about how long their engine will function and just floor it all the time)

C) To achieve EURO 3 or 4 emmissions the engine has to be OVERfuelled in certain conditions. Sounds bizarre but it's the way they do it. This is mostly where the fuel savings come from (didn't understand all of his explanations but to cool / heat things up in the combustion process they overfuel in certain conditions to keep HC in check which creates some a lot of sud etc. hence we suddenly needed particle filters which nicely collect all the stuff just to dump it in one big load now and then when you floor it).

So basically they need to map an engine not for best possible economy and power, they have to comply with emmission laws

-If the chap who remaps your engine is good, he will not push it too far and just iron the little concessions out and raise the boost level and fueling a little bit (whic in the process is acutally making your emmission not compliant but in the UK nobody is checking this anyway)

-If the chap who remaps your engine is not very good, he may just set some safety parameters higher (i.e. max inlet air temperature) and risk some damage longterm.

Rule of thumb, if it smokes too much when you put your foot down, it could be not too good. Especially on full throttle. Loads of diesel injected --> high temperature --> melt melt.

It varies a lot from engine / manufacturer to the other.

Some manufactureres "detune" an engine to create a "smaller" engine for marketing reasons. Some cars/engines are physically completely similar but mapped different to create 2 different models.
So if you are the lucky one having the "smaller" engine version, all they do is to put the software of the "bigger" engine in your ECU (and maybe a little bit more) and job done!

But there is a lot more to it that I can't explain.

Val54
03-11-2013, 20:06
Simply put, if you use a plugin module to boost performance, then it will be obvious to any dealer that the manufacturer's spec has been changed. If you go down the remap route with a reputable firm, the software changes in the ecu will not be visible to the dealer as all the manufacturer's codes and error reports remain as original, so it is highly unlikely that a quality remap will figure as a cause in any accident or warranty claim. My experience is that insurers are not concerned with modest motorhome remaps, knowing that it is usually done to increase torque or mpg and not for top speed. Comfort didn't charge me anything but I know of others who ask for an administration fee 10-20. As for the manufacturer's position, Fiat currently produce the 2.3 unit in 110, 130 and 150 bhp variants achieved through tweaking the electronics not the engine or drivetrain components.

yorkieowl
03-11-2013, 22:53
Just don't have an accident then the ECU will retain all history and should anyone check your insurance declared invalid due to modifications

Alf

Wrong. We had our ducato 2.8JTD remapped about three years ago, we checked with insurance first to see if it made a difference to premiums etc, they said so long as you inform them it's fine, (Safeguard). We get 28mpg on average, but had it done as lacking slightly in power, now much better.

Wooie1958
04-11-2013, 05:51
Wrong. We had our ducato 2.8JTD remapped about three years ago, we checked with insurance first to see if it made a difference to premiums etc, they said so long as you inform them it's fine, (Safeguard). We get 28mpg on average, but had it done as lacking slightly in power, now much better.



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Informed Insurance straight away and it didn`t alter the premium at all.

It is now much more relaxed to drive with no where near as many gear changes and it`s slightly better on the M.P.G.

Alf
04-11-2013, 07:22
As you say your insurance said it WAS fine as long as you notify them as I stated so where was I wrong

Alf




Wrong. We had our ducato 2.8JTD remapped about three years ago, we checked with insurance first to see if it made a difference to premiums etc, they said so long as you inform them it's fine, (Safeguard). We get 28mpg on average, but had it done as lacking slightly in power, now much better.

maxsdad
04-11-2013, 09:13
Rapido give an additional 3kg in vehicle weight for the Fiat 130 -150 bhp upgrade but no details of why. Maybe a bigger turbo or uprated components.

BambiOwner
04-11-2013, 11:41
What is re-mapping and would it do me any good to have it done.
I have a 54 Diesel 2.2 Peugeot when I drive her there is always plenty of power and when I drive up bird lip hill I have only ever had to change down to 3rd when there are lorries in front. I do not know the fuel comsumption because I have never bothered to check it all I do is put fuel in when the gauge goes below half full I am not rich but I have always lived by the saying if you can afford the wheels then you can afford the fuel but if by re-mapping I could save a little so that my wife can by some new stockings or some thing then I would be happy because she would be happy.

666jw
04-11-2013, 12:20
What is re-mapping and would it do me any good to have it done.
I have a 54 Diesel 2.2 Peugeot when I drive her there is always plenty of power and when I drive up bird lip hill I have only ever had to change down to 3rd when there are lorries in front. I do not know the fuel comsumption because I have never bothered to check it all I do is put fuel in when the gauge goes below half full I am not rich but I have always lived by the saying if you can afford the wheels then you can afford the fuel but if by re-mapping I could save a little so that my wife can by some new stockings or some thing then I would be happy because she would be happy.


I would also be a happy man, if my wife bought some stockings ;)

Val54
04-11-2013, 16:15
"Rapido give an additional 3kg in vehicle weight for the Fiat 130 -150 bhp upgrade but no details of why. Maybe a bigger turbo or uprated components."

Not sure why the Rapido gains 3kg, the same upgrade on a Chausson does not change the kerb weight.

rugbyken
04-11-2013, 16:25
at the NEC the other week i asked the rep why they were listing the 2.3 as 150BHP when my present van was only 130BHP for a 2.3 its the way its set up now he said specially for the motorhome chassis, sounds as though they are chipping them now because thats wha my reading became after chipping, i understood at the time that a normal van engine is set up to run fully loaded or empty an optimum set up between both conditions , but since we are almost fully loaded most of the time they can set the timing to suit.

mark61
04-11-2013, 16:33
2.3 comes as a 110, 130 and 150 available in any body. Not just MH. The 150 differs because it has a variable geometry turbo, so its not just down to trickery with the ECU.

waddington
30-11-2013, 18:40
Hi I was going to have my new Chausson Remapped, last summer the engine went bang, the engine had only done 2500 miles, the FIAT Dealer that did the repair said if it had been remapped FIAT would not have touched it and I would have had a Bill for around 10000.

Teutone
01-12-2013, 21:33
Hi I was going to have my new Chausson Remapped, last summer the engine went bang, the engine had only done 2500 miles, the FIAT Dealer that did the repair said if it had been remapped FIAT would not have touched it and I would have had a Bill for around 10000.

I think it doesn't need to be said that if you change anything on a vehicle under warranty, you will void it.

David & Ann
01-12-2013, 22:21
I am speaking as a person who has no knowledge about engines. This is how I see it from information given to me at the time of having my engine "Chipped".
I had my Fiat 2.8 JTD "chipped" some 3/4 years ago. It gives me an extra 30/35 BHP, great from moving up the gears and for hills/gradients. The chipping I had done was called a TUNIT external connection which can be removed at any time you wish. He set mine 7 on the dial. It runs great and climbs brilliantly. Now, it does not make your MH going any faster. It does not use extra gas/diesel or improves on consumption. The only advantage is that you shift up the gears faster (speed wise) and you have a lot more torque. The cost at the time was 350 (I think) ☺☺☺

Goaskalys
02-12-2013, 17:02
I have a 2ltr diesel engined Ford Tranny and once told at the Ford dealers that i couldn't get it remapped. Does anyone know if that's right, as I'd like to get the highest fuel consumption I can out of it. Not worried about boy racer performance!

sparrks
02-12-2013, 17:06
I have a 2ltr diesel engined Ford Tranny and once told at the Ford dealers that i couldn't get it remapped. Does anyone know if that's right, as I'd like to get the highest fuel consumption I can out of it. Not worried about boy racer performance!

or even the highest fuel economy :)

Wooie1958
02-12-2013, 17:11
I have a 2ltr diesel engined Ford Tranny and once told at the Ford dealers that i couldn't get it remapped. Does anyone know if that's right, as I'd like to get the highest fuel consumption I can out of it. Not worried about boy racer performance!



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