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Teutone
12-11-2013, 12:46
Saw this the other day stopping at Cobham Services

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/gsb2000/20131109_114056_zpsed042cf8.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gsb2000/media/20131109_114056_zpsed042cf8.jpg.html)

Deleted user 21925
12-11-2013, 12:50
Shame they don't incorporate an overnight stop for your £5. But it's a start.

Smaug
12-11-2013, 12:55
Blimey, and I thought it was bad when the price of a wee went up from an old penny to 20p (that's 4/- or a rise of 4,800%).

Wind Dancer
12-11-2013, 13:07
As Rob says, it's a start, be good if they progress to include an overnight stop :)

M25 Junction 9/10

M25 J9/10 Cobham | Extra Motorway Services (http://www.extraservices.co.uk/location/cobham/)

Wind Dancer
12-11-2013, 13:18
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CooP
12-11-2013, 14:15
Five pounds?!?! Maybe I've been away too long but that seems a bit pricey to just dump some, er, waste.

QFour
12-11-2013, 14:24
I use a

18554

Pick out of the way spot. Dig Hole. ( Be nice if we could get the dog to dig the hole ) Wait 5 mins .. Refill hole ...

One of the sewerage depots is now selling it .. Admittedly its in powder form and ready for administering to fields we just save the farmer the bother ..

When you think about it most of what goes in the toilet comes from the farms anyway. So we just recycle it and give it them back ..

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QFour
12-11-2013, 14:32
Saw this the other day stopping at Cobham Services

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/gsb2000/20131109_114056_zpsed042cf8.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gsb2000/media/20131109_114056_zpsed042cf8.jpg.html)

The sign says position vehicle over drain ! Is this just for waste water ? or has someone got it all wrong with caravans and motorhomes.

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Smaug
12-11-2013, 15:03
The sign says position vehicle over drain ! Is this just for waste water ? or has someone got it all wrong with caravans and motorhomes.

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I think some large American RVs may have a holding tank for black waste as well as separate one for the grey waste.

Footpad
12-11-2013, 15:31
I use a

18554

Pick out of the way spot. Dig Hole. ( Be nice if we could get the dog to dig the hole ) Wait 5 mins .. Refill hole ...

One of the sewerage depots is now selling it .. Admittedly its in powder form and ready for administering to fields we just save the farmer the bother ..

When you think about it most of what goes in the toilet comes from the farms anyway. So we just recycle it and give it them back ..

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That's fine as long as you use the correct deodorant chemicals in your loo. The normal stuff is very,
very polluting.

Seannachie
12-11-2013, 15:40
That's fine as long as you use the correct deodorant chemicals in your loo. The normal stuff is very,
very polluting.

Interestingly, I often go to the Camping & Caravanning Club Temporary Holiday Sites, many of which are on farmers' fields. Every year, at least one of those farmers simply digs a big hole at the edge of his field and sticks up a bit of hardboard on a stick proclaiming 'Toilet Dump' and everyone - caravanners, motorhomers and the odd camper - dumps the contents of their chemical toilet in the hole. After we leave, the farmer simply backfills the hole but the next year, when he digs the hole in the same place, there is no trace of the previous year's 'poisonous chemicals' - i.e. formaldehyde or whatever is in Elsan Blue. So, it seems the stuff biodegrades harmlessly if buried properly.

Blodwyn Pig
12-11-2013, 17:31
A fiver to dump 121 litres of poo! Not bad in the scope of things!

Teutone
12-11-2013, 19:03
I think some large American RVs may have a holding tank for black waste as well as separate one for the grey waste.

It's for buses with inbuild tanks.

Siimplyloco
12-11-2013, 21:22
I like the signs in Tesco stores that state "This door is alarmed". When I ask who or what scared the door I'm greeted with complete incomprehension!

John

shaunr68
12-11-2013, 21:41
A fiver to dump 121 litres of poo! Not bad in the scope of things!

It's alright for some, our Thetford has a capacity of less than 20 litres. Pound for pound it could work out more expensive than steak :wacko:

Smaug
12-11-2013, 21:44
It's alright for some, our Thetford has a capacity of less than 20 litres. Pound for pound it could work out more expensive than steak :wacko:

Yeah but some generate more shit than others it would seem. :raofl:

Kontiki
13-11-2013, 05:41
Its a start, just not a very good one. At those prices you would have to be desperate, you can't even get drinking water.

daveg
13-11-2013, 07:52
Is it really for coaches as well? The sign just mentions caravans and motorhomes.

Smaug
13-11-2013, 10:02
Is it really for coaches as well? The sign just mentions caravans and motorhomes.

As David says, it will have been provided for coaches to encourage them to bring in 50-odd café customers, the sign is just offering the facility to MH owners. I'll bet the coach drivers get the token for free along with their free meal & coffee if they take a couple of dozen or more customers into the café with them.

Sky
13-11-2013, 13:34
I agree, it drives me nuts too. Although, the education standards we have now are probably the worst in a hundred years, I think the biggest problem is that we have so many people in the UK now with English as a second language. Surely, anything going to print should always be checked by someone with a good command of grammar and punctuation (regardless of where they were born).

One of my favourites was in a Gala Bingo hall car park in east London. It read; 'These car park is only for the use at and of customers.'

MATS
13-11-2013, 14:13
My Radar says to avoid this place somehow, I just can't see myself dropping in for a fiver.

Deleted user 21925
13-11-2013, 14:58
My Radar says to avoid this place somehow, I just can't see myself dropping in for a fiver.

And as this forum seems to condone your behaviour, I shall leave immediately as this sort of thing is something I feel strongly about.

Happy camping!

Admin
14-11-2013, 13:19
And as this forum seems to condone your behaviour, I shall leave immediately as this sort of thing is something I feel strongly about.

Happy camping!

This forum does not condone his behaviour, at no point have I suggested that non-disabled people should use disabled toilets.

Deleting a post because it conflicts with my personal values is not the way I run this forum.

Smaug
14-11-2013, 15:01
This forum does not condone his behaviour, at no point have I suggested that non-disabled people should use disabled toilets.

Deleting a post because it conflicts with my personal values is not the way I run this forum.

I'm sorry, but I am at a complete loss as to your comment above. Nowhere in this thread is there any reference to using a disabled toilet except in your post above. Where did you get that idea from?

Incidentally I am pleased that you allow other people to hold opinions that differ from your own. It would be a jolly boring world if we all had to agree "with the powers that be".

alcam
16-11-2013, 12:03
Opportunity to petition motorway services proprietors to provide facilities . I appreciate some people would only use facilities and not buy anything so a [reasonable] charge for an overnight stay would be a great compromise . I am sure you have all driven a little further when tired to get to wildcamping or
pubstop . For safety reasons alone these 'services' should , preferably , voluntarily provide overnight facilities .

antiquesam
16-11-2013, 12:16
Opportunity to petition motorway services proprietors to provide facilities . I appreciate some people would only use facilities and not buy anything so a [reasonable] charge for an overnight stay would be a great compromise . I am sure you have all driven a little further when tired to get to wildcamping or
pubstop . For safety reasons alone these 'services' should , preferably , voluntarily provide overnight facilities .

You can overnight at any motorway services and use there toilets and showers, but you pay around £25 for the privilege.:sleep-027:

John Thompson
16-11-2013, 15:06
I have contacted all of the services providers, the Department for Transport (DfT) and Highways Agency about motorhome service points.

Only the ones on the M20 at the Tunnel and Cobham M25 have toilet drop points. Tebay on the M6 has a campsite attached to its MSA but has drinking water available

Cobham the toilet dump points are free to coaches with over 25 seats. Motorhomes have to pay £5.

Please do contact the MSA operators as they will only provide facilities if there is a shown demand. The department for Transport (DfT) has made it possible for MSAs to provide these facilities since 2008, together with a minimum provision of 2 parking spaces for disable motor caravan users close to the entrance of the services building.
http://www.tmcto.org/index.php/forum/index?view=category&layout=list

There are 5 providers but only 3 have bothered to reply
Motorway Service Area Operators
Extra Motorway Services - Reply
Moto – Reply
Welcome Break - No Reply to 2 requests
Westmorland Ltd – Reply
Area 24 (M20) No Reply to 2 requests


Replies

Westmorland Ltd (Tebay Services N & S)
We offer fresh potable water at our North and South-bound forecourts.
There are no facilities at North or South for formally sluicing grey or black waste as we have our Caravan Park on North that has all the required facilities.

Later they replied that they are opening the services at Gloucester on the M5 and are now aware of our requirements.
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Dear John

Moto service areas do not have any provision for waste or water.

Kind regards

Karen
Karen Davis

Customer Services | Moto Hospitality Ltd
Phone: - 01525 878244
Mobile: -
Fax:- 01525 878325
eMail: - Karen.Davis@moto-way.co.uk

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Dear John,

Thank you for your email regarding Motor Caravan parking facilities.

I can confirm that the cost for a 24hr ticket is as follows -

£20 at Baldock, Blackburn, Cambridge, Cullompton and Peterborough.
£25 at Beaconsfield and Cobham.

The provision for drinking water or electrical hook up is not available at our sites, however we do have waste dump disposal available at our Cobham Services which costs £5.00.

Hope this information helps.

Kind Regards,

Tara Scarry

Extra MSA Beaconsfield Ltd
A355 Windsor Road
Burtley Wood
Beaconsfield
Bucks
HP9 2SE

Telephone: 01494 678876
Fax: 01494 675654
Email: tara.scarry@extramsaproperty.co.uk
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Dear Mr Thompson,,

Thank you for your email dated 14th June 2013 regarding the provision of overnight parking facilities for caravans and motorhomes.

Since 1992, it has been up to the private sector to identify, acquire and operate motorway service areas within the requirements of Government Policy.

All service areas provide some parking availability for caravans & motorhomes and as quoted from the policy Operators 'may' choose to provide the services you enquired about but will make this decision on a commercial basis as all motorway service areas are commercially operated by private companies, working within the boundaries set by government policy which is one of deregularisation.

The primary aim of motorway service areas is a safety function to enable people on journeys to take a break, they are not required to offer full camp/caravan site facilities. After contacting all of the motorway service area operators, I can confirm only the new services at Cobham offer the facility of a toilet drop for £5 .

As an Agency we do not hold the details of all the trunk road service area operators centrally.

Kind Regards
Leslie

Leslie Berry, Policy Advisor
Planning & Economic Development
Highways Agency | Piccadilly Gate | Store Street | Manchester | M1 2WD
Tel: +44 (0) 161 9305729 | Web: Highways Agency - Highways Agency (http://www.highways.gov.uk)
GTN: 4315 5729
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vindiboy
16-11-2013, 20:44
Interestingly, I often go to the Camping & Caravanning Club Temporary Holiday Sites, many of which are on farmers' fields. Every year, at least one of those farmers simply digs a big hole at the edge of his field and sticks up a bit of hardboard on a stick proclaiming 'Toilet Dump' and everyone - caravanners, motorhomers and the odd camper - dumps the contents of their chemical toilet in the hole. After we leave, the farmer simply backfills the hole but the next year, when he digs the hole in the same place, there is no trace of the previous year's 'poisonous chemicals' - i.e. formaldehyde or whatever is in Elsan Blue. So, it seems the stuff biodegrades harmlessly if buried properly.

CCC will no longer use a facility if it does NOT have a pumpable toilet drop or one connected to main sewers, no more holes in ground allowed.


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