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ivecotrucker
30-11-2013, 15:37
My computer knowledge is somewhat less than zero (the ON/OFF button is my limit) & there is obviously something going increasingly wrong with my current thing- a big box that sits on the floor with labels saying:
" Compaq Presario, Intel Pentium 4 Processor 505, 255Mb DDR, 60 GB Hard Drive @7,200 rpm. "
On another label it says:
" Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900; Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition; IEEE 1394 Firewire Interface; High Speed 56K Modem; Up to 128Mb shared video memory. "

I haven't the foggiest idea, nor interest, in what any of that means so please don't blind me with any computrickology techno-babble. It is about 10 years old from what I remember, give or take a bit. It hates this website in particular, especially since Admin changed server; succeeding thread pages take for ever to load, it hates going backwards/forwards on the arrow buttons - nothing happens for ages then it will suddenly revert to the Google search page or even a different website altogether. I'm always getting pop-up screen ads "your computer is slow/your computer is knackered etc". A local con-man 'computer-expert' rebuilt it at some cost, since when it's been even worse.

However, I've got a really good mansized proper 'qwerty' keyboard that I can really thump plus a really good TV screen ( I think you call them 'monitors' but to me that was who dished out the school milk - remember those days ? ). So all I really want is a separate new box thing that's got the actual techtrickery inside it; I don't want some all singing all dancing 'fit in your handbag' (I haven't got one) thing that needs a cocktail stick to work the keyboard.

Is this any good ?:
" HP Pro, 3515, 4GB RAM, 500 GB HDD, 3.4 GHz, A Series Processor " -doesn't say what rpm, about £260 -£320 on t'internet

Or this ?:
" Windows 7, IBM ThinkCEntre M51, 8104, 3.2 GHz, Ultra Small Desktop PC " - about £85 refurbed

Or this ?:
" Windows 7, Dell Optiplex, GX280, Desktop PC, P4, 3.4 GHz, 1 GB Ram " - about £110 refurbed

Is it worth buying refurbed or better to splash out on new ?.

Thanks

Sharon the Cat
30-11-2013, 15:46
Minefield, depends what you want to do with it. Will a refurbed one come with a guarantee?

One definite piece of advice, don't get one with the XP operating system. Microsoft will no longer be supporting it next year, it will be vulnerable to attack. Personally I'd also avoid Vista, purely 'cos I don't like it.

I don't currently use Windows 7 or 8 but I'm sure lots on here do.

Have fun.

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 15:59
My computer knowledge is somewhat less than zero (the ON/OFF button is my limit) & there is obviously something going increasingly wrong with my current thing- a big box that sits on the floor with labels saying:
" Compaq Presario, Intel Pentium 4 Processor 505, 255Mb DDR, 60 GB Hard Drive @7,200 rpm. "
On another label it says:
" Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900; Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition; IEEE 1394 Firewire Interface; High Speed 56K Modem; Up to 128Mb shared video memory. "

I haven't the foggiest idea, nor interest, in what any of that means so please don't blind me with any computrickology techno-babble. It is about 10 years old from what I remember, give or take a bit. It hates this website in particular, especially since Admin changed server; succeeding thread pages take for ever to load, it hates going backwards/forwards on the arrow buttons - nothing happens for ages then it will suddenly revert to the Google search page or even a different website altogether. I'm always getting pop-up screen ads "your computer is slow/your computer is knackered etc". A local con-man 'computer-expert' rebuilt it at some cost, since when it's been even worse.

However, I've got a really good mansized proper 'qwerty' keyboard that I can really thump plus a really good TV screen ( I think you call them 'monitors' but to me that was who dished out the school milk - remember those days ? ). So all I really want is a separate new box thing that's got the actual techtrickery inside it; I don't want some all singing all dancing 'fit in your handbag' (I haven't got one) thing that needs a cocktail stick to work the keyboard.

Is this any good ?:
" HP Pro, 3515, 4GB RAM, 500 GB HDD, 3.4 GHz, A Series Processor " -doesn't say what rpm, about £260 -£320 on t'internet

Or this ?:
" Windows 7, IBM ThinkCEntre M51, 8104, 3.2 GHz, Ultra Small Desktop PC " - about £85 refurbed

Or this ?:
" Windows 7, Dell Optiplex, GX280, Desktop PC, P4, 3.4 GHz, 1 GB Ram " - about £110 refurbed

Is it worth buying refurbed or better to splash out on new ?.

Thanks

If you're still running Windows XP you should know that Microsoft are going to stop supporting it early next year, which means no patches, updates etc., and gradually it falling further and further behind in terms of performance.

You don't say what operating system the HP Pro has installed but at least it has a decent amount of RAM.

Similarly, you don't say how much RAM the IBM has but from recollection, which may be incorrect, 1GB will not get the best out of Windows 7, and I would go for an absolute minimum of 2GB but much better with 4GB.

HTH.

invalid
30-11-2013, 16:08
Hi, used to run QWERTY in Tavistock, get yourself a new laptop running Win 7, go to a big store feel the laptop, look at screen, keyboard, etc, it will eat anything you have been doing and a great deal more, the minimum a new laptop in power will be at least 10times what youíve been used to.
Donít buy Norton or any of the other rubbish they try and sell you,(thatís where there profits are.) Use free AVG, open office etc, and most of all reframe from loading crap programs, best of luck.

oldish hippy
30-11-2013, 16:24
before you do anything make a list of what u want it to do ie photo editing runn office or what ever you need to do and internet which is standard these days well as for the 2.8 cpu mine fly along it runns no probelm on this site think your problem is xp home try a different web browser try chrome as that zips along quiet nicely on mine and treat yourself to a flatscreen monitor of decent size as for key board it might not plug in if it running the round pin need a converter



ignor below this if for the techies
why i run a old machine because i run ide raid on here with a lot of hdd and two psu as idont have enough welly to run two raid setups onboard and seperate pcie card

Sharon the Cat
30-11-2013, 16:29
Hi, used to run QWERTY in Tavistock, get yourself a new laptop running Win 7, go to a big store feel the laptop, look at screen, keyboard, etc, it will eat anything you have been doing and a great deal more, the minimum a new laptop in power will be at least 10times what youíve been used to.
Donít buy Norton or any of the other rubbish they try and sell you,(thatís where there profits are.) Use free AVG, open office etc, and most of all reframe from loading crap programs, best of luck.

Some good advice there, but why a laptop? They have their limitations and shortfalls v desktops.

Alf
30-11-2013, 16:29
If you are as bad as you say you are you need to find the nearest computer shop pop in and explain your predicament and trust them to set you up with a decent package as foolproof as they can.
Then any problems you get you will have a local friendly face and store to solve you problems

Alf




My computer knowledge is somewhat less than zero (the ON/OFF button is my limit) & there is obviously something going increasingly wrong with my current thing- a big box that sits on the floor with labels saying:
" Compaq Presario, Intel Pentium 4 Processor 505, 255Mb DDR, 60 GB Hard Drive @7,200 rpm. "
On another label it says:
" Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900; Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition; IEEE 1394 Firewire Interface; High Speed 56K Modem; Up to 128Mb shared video memory. "

I haven't the foggiest idea, nor interest, in what any of that means so please don't blind me with any computrickology techno-babble. It is about 10 years old from what I remember, give or take a bit. It hates this website in particular, especially since Admin changed server; succeeding thread pages take for ever to load, it hates going backwards/forwards on the arrow buttons - nothing happens for ages then it will suddenly revert to the Google search page or even a different website altogether. I'm always getting pop-up screen ads "your computer is slow/your computer is knackered etc". A local con-man 'computer-expert' rebuilt it at some cost, since when it's been even worse.

However, I've got a really good mansized proper 'qwerty' keyboard that I can really thump plus a really good TV screen ( I think you call them 'monitors' but to me that was who dished out the school milk - remember those days ? ). So all I really want is a separate new box thing that's got the actual techtrickery inside it; I don't want some all singing all dancing 'fit in your handbag' (I haven't got one) thing that needs a cocktail stick to work the keyboard.

Is this any good ?:
" HP Pro, 3515, 4GB RAM, 500 GB HDD, 3.4 GHz, A Series Processor " -doesn't say what rpm, about £260 -£320 on t'internet

Or this ?:
" Windows 7, IBM ThinkCEntre M51, 8104, 3.2 GHz, Ultra Small Desktop PC " - about £85 refurbed

Or this ?:
" Windows 7, Dell Optiplex, GX280, Desktop PC, P4, 3.4 GHz, 1 GB Ram " - about £110 refurbed

Is it worth buying refurbed or better to splash out on new ?.

Thanks

grahamb
30-11-2013, 16:37
download advanced system care from download .com its free it will get rid of all the crap that accumulates on your computer and make it run as new use once a week best thing I ever found

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 16:50
If you are as bad as you say you are you need to find the nearest computer shop pop in and explain your predicament and trust them to set you up with a decent package as foolproof as they can.
Then any problems you get you will have a local friendly face and store to solve you problems

Alf

You're not talking about PC World then! Never yet met anyone there who seems to know very much about anything.

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 17:21
dont throw it out just yet with what you have you could run linux xubuntu 13-10 on it ,it will be about 4 times faster than what you have .
you can find it at distrowatch .com.
no bugs or slow downs free updates ,but will require hp printers only

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 17:39
hi wint things have changed a lot dead easy to load 20 min and will work out of box,mite save him paying ms .
not as geekey as was about 5 years back,have looked at seven,not as easy to use as i thought,it a overlay of vista
but better than win 8,
now ill get of my soap box.

frontslide
30-11-2013, 17:43
You're not talking about PC World then! Never yet met anyone there who seems to know very much about anything.
PC world isnt a computer shop its a supermarket for computer sales etc :cool:

barryd
30-11-2013, 17:43
If your just wanting the system unit (Boxy bit) and dont want to spend a lot I would look at an Ebay referbished solution perhaps

The minimum spec I would go for is

Windows 7 Pro or Home Premium

4 Gb Ram

at least 100GB HArd drive

Dual Core or above PRocessor

You should find something perhaps even with a guarentee for under £100.


I just took a boot load like yours to the tip (I work in IT)

ITs served you well but its time for an upgrade. Im surprised your IT man didnt suggest that. I normally advise my customers to change / upgrade the whole machine between 3-5 years in business.

For software.

Get rid of whatever anti virus comes bundled with the machine and install Microsoft Security Essentials. AVG and AVast free editions are find but have a habit of tricking those who are less computer savvy into opting for the paid for version and then it all goes wrong.

Download Open Office instead of the paid for version of MS OFfice

Dont forget to backup any photos, files etc before you sling the old one out and if it has anything confidential on it take out the hard drive first.

Good luck

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 18:08
what the hell is bitcoin wint
think we are on wrong thread shoul be of topic

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 18:08
PC world isnt a computer shop its a supermarket for computer sales etc :cool:

Oh but you haven't visited their 'KnowHow Bar' where specially trained staff can sort out ALL your PC problems, whether it's hardware or software related - well that's what they claim, but it isn't true, unless you count, 'I don't know what's wrong with it but I'll send it off to our specialists to investigate if you want - oh, and costs £55.00 payable now, please'. :lol-053:

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 18:18
Dont forget to backup any photos, files etc before you sling the old one out and if it has anything confidential on it take out the hard drive first.

Good luck

Instead of removing the hard-drive (and then wondering what to do with it), what's wrong with simply completely destroying all the information on it using Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN)?

For anyone interested, DBAN is free and can be downloaded here: Darik's Boot and Nuke | Free System Administration software downloads at SourceForge.net (http://sourceforge.net/projects/dban/) but it can be read about here: Darik's Boot And Nuke | Hard Drive Disk Wipe and Data Clearing (http://www.dban.org/)

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 18:31
dont go to pc world,you will get better advice from my psychiatrist.

ivecotrucker
30-11-2013, 18:43
Oh, I'm quite familiar with Linux - it's what Mrs IvecoT puts in the washing machine .... isn't it ??.

ivecotrucker
30-11-2013, 18:56
Thank you all for your help so far - I've been off doing other things & just returned to the 'office'.

My screen is flat (Compaq 5315, lovely big pikkies), not an old X ray type machine.
All I really want is:

- space for several 000's photos & increasing - no photoshop or anything, I don't bugger about changing sunsets or people's hair colour etc (I wouldn't know how & life's too short)

- a good word/typing system

- room for several hundreds text/info/report files, each about = 2-3 A4 typed pages

-ability to play/read/write CD's & I suppose DVD's these days; also ability to read/play music CD's that have been recorded in MP3 format (my Balkan ethno stuff - works Ok on my current Compaq)

-good Internet/GoogleEarth search speed.

That's about it I think. Thanks to All so far.

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 18:58
Oh, I'm quite familiar with Linux - it's what Mrs IvecoT puts in the washing machine .... isn't it ??.
yes and it came out clean with out the bugs ,scratch scratch ?

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 19:01
hi wint things have changed a lot dead easy to load 20 min and will work out of box,mite save him paying ms .
not as geekey as was about 5 years back,have looked at seven,not as easy to use as i thought,it a overlay of vista
but better than win 8,
now ill get of my soap box.

I fell for that line too, tried several free distros but mainly Ubuntu (12.04 was the last I used). Easy install, especially if dual-booting, looks good, comes with all sorts of additional goodies built in (and free) like a full office suite etc., (unlike Microsoft's Windows - any version), but it still requires one to 'open a shell' from time to time and do things 'under the hood' to install various other bits of software, which is still complicated for non-geeks to do. Furthermore, not all of the additional programmes (mainly screen-writing ones) I use run under Linux and the two which do (Celtx and Trelby) are inferior to my preferred (Final Draft, Movie Magic Screenwriter, and Sophocles), so I can't read or edit scripts in Linux, which is another strike against it. For any non-geek who wants to remain a non-geek, I'm afraid that Windows or Mac (if you've more money than sense) is still the way to go, IMHO. ;)

ivecotrucker
30-11-2013, 19:05
hi wint things have changed a lot dead easy to load 20 min and will work out of box,mite save him paying ms .
not as geekey as was about 5 years back,have looked at seven,not as easy to use as i thought,it a overlay of vista
but better than win 8,
now ill get of my soap box.

No disrespect but is this some sort of spy message ? The microfilm is obviously going to be hidden at 7 o'clock under a carpet by a window (at seven...overlay..., vista...??). (but not beside window No 8 ?).

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 19:08
No disrespect but is this some sort of spy message ? The microfilm is obviously going to be hidden at 7 o'clock under a carpet by a window (at seven...overlay..., vista...??). (but not beside window No 8 ?).

Shh, Don't mention 'spy message' or the flags will fly in Cheltenham and Memworth Hill and you won't need to worry about a new computer when the boys in blue come knocking at 3:00 AM. Better sleep in clean pyjamas tonight!

:lol-053:

ivecotrucker
30-11-2013, 19:09
I fell for that line too, tried several free distros but mainly Ubuntu (12.04 was the last I used). Easy install, especially if dual-booting, looks good, comes with all sorts of additional goodies built in (and free) like a full office suite etc., (unlike Microsoft's Windows - any version), but it still requires one to 'open a shell' from time to time and do things 'under the hood' to install various other bits of software, which is still complicated for non-geeks to do. Furthermore, not all of the additional programmes (mainly screen-writing ones) I use run under Linux and the two which do (Celtx and Trelby) are inferior to my preferred (Final Draft, Movie Magic Screenwriter, and Sophocles), so I can't read or edit scripts in Linux, which is another strike against it. For any non-geek who wants to remain a non-geek, I'm afraid that Windows or Mac (if you've more money than sense) is still the way to go, IMHO. ;)

?????????????????? (but thanks for your time in replying !).

I'm going to lie down in a dark room now with a few Aspirins.

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 19:15
?????????????????? (but thanks for your time in replying !).

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you, or take your thread off topic. In a nutshell what I was trying to do was point out that for non-geeks (me and probably you too but forgive me if I'm wrong) Linux in any distro (it's what they call 'distributions', basically slightly different versions of the underlying operating system) is not for them. My advice is stick with Windows, preferably Windows 7 (which will be simple for an XP user to adapt to) unless you want to fiddle around with Windows 8 to make it look and behave more like what you are used to with Windows XP.

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 19:20
I fell for that line too, tried several free distros but mainly Ubuntu (12.04 was the last I used). Easy install, especially if dual-booting, looks good, comes with all sorts of additional goodies built in (and free) like a full office suite etc., (unlike Microsoft's Windows - any version), but it still requires one to 'open a shell' from time to time and do things 'under the hood' to install various other bits of software, which is still complicated for non-geeks to do. Furthermore, not all of the additional programmes (mainly screen-writing ones) I use run under Linux and the two which do (Celtx and Trelby) are inferior to my preferred (Final Draft, Movie Magic Screenwriter, and Sophocles), so I can't read or edit scripts in Linux, which is another strike against it. For any non-geek who wants to remain a non-geek, I'm afraid that Windows or Mac (if you've more money than sense) is still the way to go, IMHO. ;)
you right ubuntu dont have all the drivers,but they now give you a button to hit and there installed,mint have them on distro.
however most people dont do the things you or i might do,they just want the net ,email ebay skip etc ,all simple and free in linux.
any way the guy only wanted some help ,not a trip to the bug house,and after all this he will be glade to sine in.

barryd
30-11-2013, 19:31
Instead of removing the hard-drive (and then wondering what to do with it), what's wrong with simply completely destroying all the information on it using Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN)?

For anyone interested, DBAN is free and can be downloaded here: Darik's Boot and Nuke | Free System Administration software downloads at SourceForge.net (http://sourceforge.net/projects/dban/) but it can be read about here: Darik's Boot And Nuke | Hard Drive Disk Wipe and Data Clearing (http://www.dban.org/)


Because the OP explained he is techincally challenged! I assume he can use a screwdriver more easily than download and run your suggestion (which is a very good one by the way) on a knackered PC.

I suspect he will just put it in his shed with the rest of the junk us blokes refuse to throw out! ;)

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 19:43
Because the OP explained he is techincally challenged! I assume he can use a screwdriver more easily than download and run your suggestion (which is a very good one by the way) on a knackered PC.

I suspect he will just put it in his shed with the rest of the junk us blokes refuse to throw out! ;)

Or in my case, Barry, the loft, guffaw!

sparrks
30-11-2013, 19:48
Instead of removing the hard-drive (and then wondering what to do with it), what's wrong with simply completely destroying all the information on it using Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN)?

For anyone interested, DBAN is free and can be downloaded here: Darik's Boot and Nuke | Free System Administration software downloads at SourceForge.net (http://sourceforge.net/projects/dban/) but it can be read about here: Darik's Boot And Nuke | Hard Drive Disk Wipe and Data Clearing (http://www.dban.org/)

Or alternatively remove the hdd undo the screws and remove the platters or just put a hammer through them, as most of them seem to be glass.

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 19:51
Because the OP explained he is techincally challenged! I assume he can use a screwdriver more easily than download and run your suggestion (which is a very good one by the way) on a knackered PC.

I suspect he will just put it in his shed with the rest of the junk us blokes refuse to throw out! ;)

just bookmarked motorhomefruitcakes forum,fantastic.

Seannachie
30-11-2013, 19:56
just bookmarked motorhomefruitcakes forum,fantastic.

Great site, so much so that I've just sent off for the gas detector!

:lol-049:

trevskoda
30-11-2013, 19:59
Thank you all for your help so far - I've been off doing other things & just returned to the 'office'.

My screen is flat (Compaq 5315, lovely big pikkies), not an old X ray type machine.
All I really want is:

- space for several 000's photos & increasing - no photoshop or anything, I don't bugger about changing sunsets or people's hair colour etc (I wouldn't know how & life's too short)

- a good word/typing system

- room for several hundreds text/info/report files, each about = 2-3 A4 typed pages

-ability to play/read/write CD's & I suppose DVD's these days; also ability to read/play music CD's that have been recorded in MP3 format (my Balkan ethno stuff - works Ok on my current Compaq)

-good Internet/GoogleEarth search speed.

That's about it I think. Thanks to All so far.

linux mint will do all that you want for free,im doing it like you all day every day.

sparrks
30-11-2013, 20:02
before you do anything make a list of what u want it to do ie photo editing runn office or what ever you need to do and internet which is standard these days well as for the 2.8 cpu mine fly along it runns no probelm on this site think your problem is xp home try a different web browser try chrome as that zips along quiet nicely on mine and treat yourself to a flatscreen monitor of decent size as for key board it might not plug in if it running the round pin need a converter



ignor below this if for the techies
why i run a old machine because i run ide raid on here with a lot of hdd and two psu as idont have enough welly to run two raid setups onboard and seperate pcie card

What type of raid are you running? seems like rather ancient tech - ide

MykCamper
30-11-2013, 20:26
Well asked I-Trucker, I'm the original PC Confused .com! get in a head spin when the knowlegdeable get going!! There's been some useful (to me) feed back, thanks for that Guys, I think it will be a S/H lap top (nothing to advanced) so I can cart it around in the motor.

oldish hippy
30-11-2013, 21:23
What type of raid are you running? seems like rather ancient tech - ide

yep it is ancient tech but runs as quick as ican think raid 1

ivecotrucker
30-11-2013, 21:25
Because the OP explained he is techincally challenged! I assume he can use a screwdriver more easily than download and run your suggestion (which is a very good one by the way) on a knackered PC.

I suspect he will just put it in his shed with the rest of the junk us blokes refuse to throw out! ;)

When I finally get a new computrickery box I thought I'd take this one down the workshop & shove 150A DC through it from my stick welder - it'd either gee it up a bit or maybe ***k it up altogether.

sparrks
30-11-2013, 21:55
yep it is ancient tech but runs as quick as ican think raid 1

Just curious as to what you use it for? and what you benefit from it

Kryten
30-11-2013, 22:21
I run a big risk here of getting my wrists slapped but I will agree with trevskoda and install a lightweight Linux on the machine. It depends on what you use your computer for, if just for internet and a bit of word processing then why spend 100's on a new computer when the one you have will do the job.

I don't want to get techie but installing Linux is like setting up a digital box the first time, it looks complicated but really isn't. i have talked people through this process without problems, even people that are less tech savvy than yourself.

Bopper
01-12-2013, 10:59
No-one has mentioned a very important part in all of this:

Doesn't matter what system you use, how much you spend or what software you have got. If you want to use the internet this day and age you need a good reliable and fast internet supplier. The old copper non enhanced BT telephone lines are useless and if you live in a area not covered by Fibre optic cable or Openreach high speed trickery your computer will run slow and give you massive hangups and problems with download speed. Get a free download/upload speed check on your Telephone line first.

Siimplyloco
01-12-2013, 11:09
No-one has mentioned a very important part in all of this:

SNIP
Get a free download/upload speed check on your Telephone line first.

My Broadband Speed - Broadband Speed Tester (http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/)

I've just checked mine - Virgin cable. It's supposed to be 30mb/s but is currently below five!
John

trevskoda
01-12-2013, 11:19
No-one has mentioned a very important part in all of this:

Doesn't matter what system you use, how much you spend or what software you have got. If you want to use the internet this day and age you need a good reliable and fast internet supplier. The old copper non enhanced BT telephone lines are useless and if you live in a area not covered by Fibre optic cable or Openreach high speed trickery your computer will run slow and give you massive hangups and problems with download speed. Get a free download/upload speed check on your Telephone line first.

im running linux on copper wire ,can watch movies etc,so rubbish to above

trevskoda
01-12-2013, 11:26
another form of paypall then wint.
most people dont use there pc for more than the net ,email ,facebook ,ebay,etc.
a lot of people i have spoke to dont even know what operating sys there on,never mind all the gobilygook.

Siimplyloco
01-12-2013, 11:27
im running linux on copper wire ,can watch movies etc,so rubbish to above

Rubbish eh? I would have expected to see a more polite post but I know what to expect now!
John

mark61
01-12-2013, 11:28
My Broadband Speed - Broadband Speed Tester (http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/)

I've just checked mine - Virgin cable. It's supposed to be 30mb/s but is currently below five!
John


Got just over 5 using that link. Tried 3 other sites and got 18, 33 and a 48.

With Virgin cable, should be up to 60 Mb/s lol

Siimplyloco
01-12-2013, 11:31
Got just over 5 using that link. Tried 3 other sites and got 18, 33 and a 48.

With Virgin cable, should be up to 60 Mb/s lol

I just measured 13 on the same link. Tried another and it was 3.5!
Oh well, so long as I'm connected I'm happy.
John

trevskoda
01-12-2013, 11:41
Rubbish eh? I would have expected to see a more polite post but I know what to expect now!
John

only my point of vieu and what i find sorry not ment to sound nasty big apology regards trev

Bopper
01-12-2013, 11:45
I will not answer the know all but reply to Wints, didn't know of any other sort of cable, interesting that. I was told at my old address that the old copper wires were the worst by the BT engineer, he said that BT were due to replace these cables over the next couple of years (3 years ago). When I moved here they gave me a download of 5mg and as soon as I went to watch a lengthy Utube vid I got the whirlygig and the "buffering" message every 30 secs or so. They told me it was because I was a distance from the exchange but would improve if I waited, however, they also said I could have a bit of BT called infinity installed and that would immediately solve my problem, it did! It also cost me £20 odd a month. Conned again by BT. I asked the engineer what the box was and he said that it simulates fibre optic speeds by amplifying the line.

So in my opinion I am not talking rubbish at all. Your internet experience is only as good as your line connection speed and it is a good idea to check your speeds before buying new kit. Be careful of which speed checker you use because some will fool you into buying something or other to improve it. (they give a false lower speed in order to convince you).

Kryten
01-12-2013, 11:54
I use speedtest.net which give me an accurate reading of 10mb download speed

trevskoda
01-12-2013, 11:54
I will not answer the know all but reply to Wints, didn't know of any other sort of cable, interesting that. I was told at my old address that the old copper wires were the worst by the BT engineer, he said that BT were due to replace these cables over the next couple of years (3 years ago). When I moved here they gave me a download of 5mg and as soon as I went to watch a lengthy Utube vid I got the whirlygig and the "buffering" message every 30 secs or so. They told me it was because I was a distance from the exchange but would improve if I waited, however, they also said I could have a bit of BT called infinity installed and that would immediately solve my problem, it did! It also cost me £20 odd a month. Conned again by BT. I asked the engineer what the box was and he said that it simulates fibre optic speeds by amplifying the line.

So in my opinion I am not talking rubbish at all. Your internet experience is only as good as your line connection speed and it is a good idea to check your speeds before buying new kit. Be careful of which speed checker you use because some will fool you into buying something or other to improve it. (they give a false lower speed in order to convince you).

i hope you were not refering to me ,yes i see your point but most people i know care not for films utube etc ,,they only use pc for ebay ,mail ,web ets,maybe we are a bit behind here,counting sheep more important.

anjou
01-12-2013, 12:51
Use linux Mint,ive been using Linux for ten years now,nowadays its so easy to use,easy to install and virtually virus free,for a virus to get in it has to enter the main kernel and you have to allow it in,so why would you do that ? Have a look on the Distrowatch site that will give you lots of information and what distros are the tops ! And download links,most English servers are university based,all are iso based ,you can download to a usb and boot off that, ive wiped windows off my 2 month old laptop and put Mint on after a denial of service virus wouldnt let me log on to my desktop, my laptop is happy now,it flys along,has very quick updates,and access to thousands of virus free programs at no cost ! And it works great on my Virgin mobile dongle,im writing this in my Iveco camper in the middle of Surrey near Weybridge ! With a hot cup of tea :drive:

ricc
01-12-2013, 12:55
for anyone who doesnt know their ram from their rom and has a slow windows computer its possibly worth speculating a couple of quid on fleabay for a puppy linux cd., or you can download and burn one yourself for nowt if youve got some idea of what youre doing..
puppy linux runs from the cd without having to be installed on the harddrive and is probably the easiest verson of linux to set up and use. mostly it does it itself.
if you eject the cd and restart the puter your back with whatever version of windows you had on yer harddrive.
the only mildly technical bit is you might on an older computer have to reset the order in which your puter reads the drives on startup . when you turn on you should see a message flash up that says hit fx (f1, or f2 etc) to enter bios, do that and just rearrange the start menu so it reads cd then harddrive. so it will boot from the puppy cd if its there or if it aint it goes to windows on the harddrive as the second choice.

it must be 3 or 4 years since i downloaded puppy and i have rarely used windows since. im using an old acer laptop thats probably ten years old with no problems. i started looking at linux cos xp with internet explorer 6 was beyond a joke trying to list used books on amazon... youd literally be able to make a cup of tea whilst waiting for listings to load, whereas with linux and thunderbird the process was instant. and ebay never freezes either.

trevskoda
01-12-2013, 13:00
Use linux Mint,ive been using Linux for ten years now,nowadays its so easy to use,easy to install and virtually virus free,for a virus to get in it has to enter the main kernel and you have to allow it in,so why would you do that ? Have a look on the Distrowatch site that will give you lots of information and what distros are the tops ! And download links,most English servers are university based,all are iso based ,you can download to a usb and boot off that, ive wiped windows off my 2 month old laptop and put Mint on after a denial of service virus wouldnt let me log on to my desktop, my laptop is happy now,it flys along,has very quick updates,and access to thousands of virus free programs at no cost ! And it works great on my Virgin mobile dongle,im writing this in my Iveco camper in the middle of Surrey near Weybridge ! With a hot cup of tea :drive:

hi thats what i use mint mate d,t ,but it onley runs on pye chips ,older pcs might require xubuntu or pinguy,some folk me included have looked at others which have a desktop swither so you can make it look like window apple etc.
all thing work in mint always buy cams etc with sd card so i can remove them and put in pen drive and read that way.

Siimplyloco
01-12-2013, 13:03
I use speedtest.net which give me an accurate reading of 10mb download speed

13.57/1.94 using your suggestion. I feel better now!
Thanks
John

Tezza33
01-12-2013, 13:05
Use linux Mint,ive been using Linux for ten years now,nowadays its so easy to use,easy to install ,im writing this in my Iveco camper in the middle of Surrey near Weybridge ! With a hot cup of tea :drive:Linux must be good, Windows can't make tea.

I think the OP (in his own words, 'computer knowledge is somewhat less than zero') isn't going to install Linux however easy it is, there are good offers for Laptops which will be ultra fast after his current PC, he can then use it in the van or with a monitor and keyboard/mouse at home if he wishes

I am with VM, I pay for 30mb and get 32.6mb download speed, 1.9mb upload so happy enough

trevskoda
01-12-2013, 13:09
for anyone who doesnt know their ram from their rom and has a slow windows computer its possibly worth speculating a couple of quid on fleabay for a puppy linux cd., or you can download and burn one yourself for nowt if youve got some idea of what youre doing..
puppy linux runs from the cd without having to be installed on the harddrive and is probably the easiest verson of linux to set up and use. mostly it does it itself.
if you eject the cd and restart the puter your back with whatever version of windows you had on yer harddrive.
the only mildly technical bit is you might on an older computer have to reset the order in which your puter reads the drives on startup . when you turn on you should see a message flash up that says hit fx (f1, or f2 etc) to enter bios, do that and just rearrange the start menu so it reads cd then harddrive. so it will boot from the puppy cd if its there or if it aint it goes to windows on the harddrive as the second choice.

it must be 3 or 4 years since i downloaded puppy and i have rarely used windows since. im using an old acer laptop thats probably ten years old with no problems. i started looking at linux cos xp with internet explorer 6 was beyond a joke trying to list used books on amazon... youd literally be able to make a cup of tea whilst waiting for listings to load, whereas with linux and thunderbird the process was instant. and ebay never freezes either.
yes thats right i find puppy a bit geeky though,by the way you can run all distro in live boot,good post me lad,regards trev

anjou
01-12-2013, 13:13
Hi Trevor,yes you are right,most distros work on x86 architecture, and prefer Intel chips to Amd, but saying that most distros give lots of download options incl 32 and 64 bit , Pc Linux os is another well thought of one. Its always good to Google first to find out if it will work, or if you have had enough of the way Google is getting a bit nosey then use Duck Duck Go as your search engine like I do !its NOT nosey at all ! Nuff said !:idea-007:

Siimplyloco
01-12-2013, 13:21
I have an Acer laptop bought last year, and this was taken with us this summer. It has a good battery life and is very fast. HDMI output so your HD photos can be viewed on your huge telly.The speakers, however, are dreadful: weak and tinny, but they are very small I suppose. I thought it good value at £400 from Tesco.

My main point is that last year I bought an HP All-in-One as a Christmas present for a grand daughter. I got it from HP Direct - online. Wireless mouse and keyboard, 23" touch screen, 6Gb memory, 2 Tb drive, built in DTV tuner with remote control, Blue Ray DVD and Beats Audio Hifi Speakers.

18955

When I opened the box I quickly realised that it was far too good for a ten year old and I'm using it right now! And the price of this marvel? £435 delivered to my door, and with a one year collect to base warranty. Retail price was over £1000. The reason? HP were selling off their Windows 7 machines to make way for Windows 8 types. There are bargains out there: one just has to look harder.
John

HP TouchSmart 520-1240ea Desktop PC Product Specifications HP TouchSmart 520-1240ea Desktop PC | HPģ Support (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03577462&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=5341465&tool=)

Kryten
01-12-2013, 15:58
Puppy installs easily and runs quickly on from a 1 gig flash drive which you can carry around with you like a tiny PC. "Is that a computer in your pocket or are you glad to see me"

iveco4x4
01-12-2013, 18:36
Minefield, depends what you want to do with it. Will a refurbed one come with a guarantee?

One definite piece of advice, don't get one with the XP operating system. Microsoft will no longer be supporting it next year, it will be vulnerable to attack. Personally I'd also avoid Vista, purely 'cos I don't like it.

I don't currently use Windows 7 or 8 but I'm sure lots on here do.

Have fun.

And how much has your computer been protected by Microsoft

Ignore this idea of don't use XP, most corporates are still running XP and will continue to run XP as there is no commercial gain to go to later versions and its expensive to upgrade.I know large companies still running 2000. If you want cheap and warranted see the link below, they have a full range from XP onwards

Don't go to windows 8 or 8.1 , 7 is good. Its XP like unlike 8

The advantage of 7 is that you can use the full power of a modern PC by using a 64 bit version which allows you to have over 4gb of memory. Warning, some of your old apps may not run on 7

have a look at Morgan Computers - for cheap computers, printers, digital cameras and accessories (http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk)

Rich (Microsoft certified systems engineer)

MykCamper
01-12-2013, 18:43
Hard:drive: !Oh gord blimey ! all this has just blown my thick head!! I'm goin back into me cave, lite a fire and revert to smoke signals! :nospam::beer: :cheers::sleep-027: Myk :camper:

sparrks
01-12-2013, 18:57
Not too sure about that mybroadband.co.uk link, 2 tests, 1st 18960 shows a download speed of 103Mbs far higher than the actual speed. 2nd test same tester 92 Mbs down and 8.94Mbs up18961
my preferred tester speedtest.net is much closer to the actual speed 0f 37.39Mbs down and 9.37 Mbs up 18962 My estimated speed by isp is 50Mbs down.

sparrks
01-12-2013, 19:04
And how much has your computer been protected by Microsoft

Ignore this idea of don't use XP, most corporates are still running XP and will continue to run XP as there is no commercial gain to go to later versions and its expensive to upgrade.I know large companies still running 2000. If you want cheap and warranted see the link below, they have a full range from XP onwards

Don't go to windows 8 or 8.1 , 7 is good. Its XP like unlike 8

The advantage of 7 is that you can use the full power of a modern PC by using a 64 bit version which allows you to have over 4gb of memory. Warning, some of your old apps may not run on 7

have a look at Morgan Computers - for cheap computers, printers, digital cameras and accessories (http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk)

Rich (Microsoft certified systems engineer)

Why do you say don't use Win 8?

Win7 was basically Vista plus service packs and I understand Win8 is an enancement of Win7. I use a 64bit version of Vista with service pack 2 (plus various Win7) it's very good but has bad reputation from earlier releases.

Edit: Vista can also use 4gb plus of memory when using the 64bit version.

Tezza33
01-12-2013, 19:08
Why do you say don't use Win 8?

Win7 was basically Vista plus service packs and I understand Win8 is an enancement of Win7. I use a 64bit version of Vista with service pack 2 (plus various Win7) it's very good but has bad reputation from earlier releases.I think Windows 8 is great, 8.1 is even better, all our laptops are running Win 8

sparrks
01-12-2013, 19:16
I think Windows 8 is great, 8.1 is even better, all our laptops are running Win 8

When Win 8 first came out I tried it on a laptop but didn't like the metro interface and just joined in the critisism of it, but about a month or so ago I tried it again but on a touchscreen laptop and having bought a Nexus 7 tablet the month before, Win8 suddenly made a lot of sense, it was quick and a joy to use on the i7 laptop. Switching between Metro and the Desktop is just a touch of the screen or keyboard. I would have no hesitation about buying it for use in the future. I understand the changes made in Win8.1 further enhance the usage.

trevskoda
01-12-2013, 21:40
When Win 8 first came out I tried it on a laptop but didn't like the metro interface and just joined in the critisism of it, but about a month or so ago I tried it again but on a touchscreen laptop and having bought a Nexus 7 tablet the month before, Win8 suddenly made a lot of sense, it was quick and a joy to use on the i7 laptop. Switching between Metro and the Desktop is just a touch of the screen or keyboard. I would have no hesitation about buying it for use in the future. I understand the changes made in Win8.1 further enhance the usage.

very noisey sys ,to much ping ponging ,no back button on brouser and you have to pay for it.

Bigpeetee
02-12-2013, 07:46
Instead of removing the hard-drive (and then wondering what to do with it), what's wrong with simply completely destroying all the information on it using Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN)?

For anyone interested, DBAN is free and can be downloaded here: Darik's Boot and Nuke | Free System Administration software downloads at SourceForge.net (http://sourceforge.net/projects/dban/) but it can be read about here: Darik's Boot And Nuke | Hard Drive Disk Wipe and Data Clearing (http://www.dban.org/)

A hammer is the best way of deleting data, totally non techie

trevskoda
02-12-2013, 08:40
When Win 8 first came out I tried it on a laptop but didn't like the metro interface and just joined in the critisism of it, but about a month or so ago I tried it again but on a touchscreen laptop and having bought a Nexus 7 tablet the month before, Win8 suddenly made a lot of sense, it was quick and a joy to use on the i7 laptop. Switching between Metro and the Desktop is just a touch of the screen or keyboard. I would have no hesitation about buying it for use in the future. I understand the changes made in Win8.1 further enhance the usage.

same as ubuntu then only you have to pay for the bugs ?

sparrks
02-12-2013, 10:23
very noisey sys ,to much ping ponging ,no back button on brouser and you have to pay for it.

And what browser would that be? There was a back button on the version of IE in Win 8 that I tried on Friday.

trevskoda
02-12-2013, 11:51
And what browser would that be? There was a back button on the version of IE in Win 8 that I tried on Friday.

first version of 8 ,i see they have it fixed now ,had a freind over yesterday showing me 7 ,looks a very complicated way of doing things.
just my thoughts,but if win is your thing and you like paying for it good luck.
my os works just fine and not a penny spent.
i think there will always be different camps .
im of for din dins now.

Firefox
02-12-2013, 12:05
^
This one basically for budget practical advice.

You will get various devotees singing the praises of Macs, Linux and various other things which all have their good points, but basically you want something as standard and as compatible as possible.

Alf
02-12-2013, 12:09
What's wrong with removeing the hard drive disc and use as place mats for mugs etc

Alf



A hammer is the best way of deleting data, totally non techie

ivecotrucker
03-12-2013, 11:41
I only wish that I knew/understood what on Earth you are all talking about.

Burning Puppies, Duck Ducks etc. - I didn't think that was still legal; mind you we only gave up burning the odd Witch or two fairly recently down these parts.

Seriously, my thanks for all your thoughts & contributions. I'll have to take time to carefully go through all your advises - & perhaps send one or two of you a PM (I'll be travelling & off line for a couple of weeks now). I've never heard of this Lennor stuff that some of you use but your reviews seem very enthusiastic. I think line speed here is about 5 clunky bits a second or millisec or whatever so that isn't the problem - it's this big box thing on the floor that I think has got a real problem because it is getting worse & worse almost daily (just my layman's opinion). Season's Greetings to You All.

Sharon the Cat
03-12-2013, 12:50
I only wish that I knew/understood what on Earth you are all talking about.

Burning Puppies, Duck Ducks etc. - I didn't think that was still legal; mind you we only gave up burning the odd Witch or two fairly recently down these parts.

You should get a job at PC World.

ivecotrucker
03-12-2013, 15:02
You should get a job at PC World.

I failed the interview. Apparently I knew too much.


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