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snowbirds
02-01-2015, 11:09
Hi Campers,

Has anybody upgraded their Computer lately,I am running Vista and I am having a lot of problems so was looking at Windows 7 & 8 but I don't think my Sony Laptop vgn-ns20s will go windows 8.
I just looked on line at the pc world site and it says that Mainstream support for 7 will stop in January 2015.
Any Ideas Folks.

Snowbirds. :hammer::hammer::pc:

oldtech
02-01-2015, 11:41
Hi Campers,

Has anybody upgraded their Computer lately,I am running Vista and I am having a lot of problems so was looking at Windows 7 & 8 but I don't think my Sony Laptop vgn-ns20s will go windows 8.
I just looked on line at the pc world site and it says that Mainstream support for 7 will stop in January 2015.
Any Ideas Folks.

Snowbirds. :hammer::hammer::pc:

No need to worry for now if you are only concerned about security / updates etc

" If youíre still using Windows 7, donít worry ó Extended Support isnít set to end until January 14th, 2020
and Windows 9 should make its debut well before that date. "

Microsoft Windows 7 support deadline: January 13th, 2015 | BGR (http://bgr.com/2014/07/08/microsoft-windows-7-support-deadline/)

More detailed info is available here :-

Windows lifecycle fact sheet - Windows Help (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle)

snowbirds
02-01-2015, 13:09
Hi David,

Thanks for that I think I will go down the Windows 7 route as I have run comparison checks on both and I need 1366x768 resolution for the screen and mine is 1280x800 max.
Did you do a clean upgrade to clear the old vista as it worry's me that some of my old problems could be left by the old software.

Regards john.

Kryten
02-01-2015, 13:58
I did an update a couple of days ago and my computer is running perfectly. Oh wait I just remembered I'm not running Windows.

Steve121
02-01-2015, 14:13
"I need 1366x768 resolution for the screen and mine is 1280x800 max." Not sure where this info originated, but my HP Mini is running Windows 7 at a screen resolution of 1024 X 600.

My wife's Dell laptop came with Vista installed, and after some time things got worse and worse. Did a format and clean install of Windows 7 and a year later it's still running far better than it ever did with Vista.

I'm running Windows 7 on my desktop as well, as do many other people I know, and we're all quite pleased with it, especially compared to Vista. Windows 8 is designed for touch-screen devices.

According to Microsoft there won't be a Windows 9 - next version is Windows 10 (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/preview).

Sharon the Cat
02-01-2015, 16:33
I had to sack my work PC running XP pro which I loved. I now have a laptop running Vista which I loathe and another running W7 which I really like. W7 has a few annoying things but on the whole is very good stuff.
I have a W8 disc but am leaving that until I'm forced to install it because of the annoying touch screen rubbish.
When will they learn that not everyone wants a PC for games and Facebook.

trevskoda
02-01-2015, 16:48
games not for me and why buy when you can have mint free with free upgrades and no bugs plus ufw firewall built in and running after install.takes about 20 min to install and about another hour to set up and recall your e/mail plus download restricted extras which are for running cds etc.yes yes i here you all shouting linux linux linux ,but it is fantastic free and will not get sick honest folks.

sparrks
02-01-2015, 16:49
I had to sack my work PC running XP pro which I loved. I now have a laptop running Vista which I loathe and another running W7 which I really like. W7 has a few annoying things but on the whole is very good stuff.
I have a W8 disc but am leaving that until I'm forced to install it because of the annoying touch screen rubbish.
When will they learn that not everyone wants a PC for games and Facebook.

With Win 8.1 you can download a little prog called Classic Shell (http://www.classicshell.net/) which makes W8 behave like W7 but only faster and more secure.


Not tried it myself as I still use W7 across 4 machines.

Edit: Just noted it enhances Win 7 as well.

sparrks
02-01-2015, 17:07
How about a link to it? :)

trevskoda
02-01-2015, 17:17
david linux is suported they also have there own comunity ,you state linux but there are over 700 flavoures and i have tried quite a lot but mint and ubuntu are tops now moved into second place behind windows.david instead of beeting me with a stick try mint with mate decktop on a spare pc i have a funney feeling you will like it as its very easy to use it would have to be as im not to pc litterate and yes i know your a wizz on pc stuff but why spend money when we can have for free,by the way its the biz comunity that pays for linux and we the home user get it free and thats the bit i like.and as for gamers steam has now been incorperated to run win games on mint. no im of shoping or so the wiff says.

oldish hippy
02-01-2015, 17:24
Well one pc done and sorted as back up now to start second major upgrade ok running this pc until other is sorted then swop out case and tformat this one stick with windows seven it is better than vista by a long shot about time. Iupgraded as been running xp have tried linux but for majority of use windows is just point and click. Linux getting there slowly ideal if you just want it to do one main purpose ie server or a home theatre pc so this pc will be scrap when other one is done. Mine runs xp or win 7 it is old and a little on slow side but it does what it needs to do ie mail forums downloads tv.It's not up to running full steam games or transposing video or anything which requires a lot of cpu grunt.I just use older stuff as it is given away and take best of it and rebuild the best I can. Should treat myself to all singing dancing pc but what would it do that mine doesnt do already i dont play games or do a lot of photoshop stuff so dont need all singing all dancing pc and it will still download as fast as many ok the downloads are not as fast due to cpu sorting it all out .



P/S
Here is some info on linux for windows user might find it usefull if you have old laptop plug it and try them what do you have to lose only time
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-linux-distros-absolute-beginners-windows-xp-users/

snowbirds
02-01-2015, 17:30
Hi campers,

My main worry is Security with banking on line,I have had a couple of problems as I log in for while in Europe this year as the McAfee comes up with your are at risk,so have uploaded about four or five times in 4 months,and have just reinstalled McAfee again it lasts about three to four days and then it plays up on BT.
I have reloaded to day and I still have to use Mcafee Tec to sort it out,so thinking of dumping the lot.
Tomorrow i will get my old G4 Mac out and fire it up and let the wife have the Sony as she does not go on line.
I have worked on Macs for years in the trade and never had these problems ever.

Snowbirds.

trevskoda
02-01-2015, 19:25
well david i dont use office or gimp as i do not require to do so,for pics i use picaso which lets me rotate ets ,yes some times i use open office works for what i require etc. R emember most folk that i know just want to get online ebay & sites like this plus there email.One thing i canot get working is the poi downloads,it may be me or the fact that linux splits all downloads into two fractions ,the stuf most see and the hidden stuff running in the background,so thats a fault to me as i see it but other wise it runes sweet no bugs.

Sharon the Cat
02-01-2015, 20:26
Horses for courses. If you are using top end software you need the top end operating systems from Microsoft or Apple.

I use Photo shop and Excel and the open source alternatives unfortunately don't have the functionality I need. Shame, I just paid £999.99 for Web & Design Premium CS6, list price £1475 & it's not even the latest version!

trevskoda
02-01-2015, 21:31
read it david ,i stick to gnome using the old standard d/top mate is easy to use for first timers though i have used others,at the moment i have switched computors as my old one has a fault so at time of typing this im on linux light using the xfse desk top.One thing i found i canot get utube to work but i think its a hardware prob not the distro.but i will soon be back to mint when i get my new pc built time is the issue,cant build camper vans and computors at the same time.

trevskoda
02-01-2015, 21:40
Horses for courses. If you are using top end software you need the top end operating systems from Microsoft or Apple.

I use Photo shop and Excel and the open source alternatives unfortunately don't have the functionality I need. Shame, I just paid £999.99 for Web & Design Premium CS6, list price £1475 & it's not even the latest version!

apple is a old linux curnel and as for windows bugs and all the toilet is the best place for it.as i said linux is good for folk on a budget it works well for me and as for ph shop i dont require things like that as i can down load all my pics to mint with ease and i do not require retouching them,yes some cams are not suported so i use one with a removable sd card then put it in a pen and download as a usb which opens up easy for me.
there is a lot i dont understand about computors but i dont require to know either ,it does what i want and thats good enuff for me ,pardon my bad grammer regards trev.

sparrks
02-01-2015, 21:41
I'm sticking with what works for me and that for the next couple of years is Win7 and then prob a switch to Win 10

Kryten
02-01-2015, 22:25
I have read the The top 5 problems with Linux article posted by David so I thought I would comment in it's content.

5. Different desktop managers lead to a fragmented experience
Microsoft and Apple offer one desktop for their products. I have limited experience of Apple but I an aware that Microsoft do allow the user to to slightly customise their desktop while remaining to keep the overall look and feel of the original. This is a one size fits all solution. Linux provides many different desktops. The user chooses one that suits their tastes and the specification of their computer. Not everyone likes a bloated bling of a desktop which you get with newer Windows desktops and also Linux KDE, yes a Linux desktop that comes with more bells and whistles that you can shake a mouse at. Full function desktops do slow down the performance on a computer, even high end spec ones.

4. Too many package managers makes Linux hard to learn and master
There is a post on this website which lists Windows software and Linux equivalents. This list only gives a small selection of Linux software. Each type of application can have many different software applications. This allows choice for the user. Some users require specialist software or very advanced features that are only available to Microsoft users. In this instance then the user doesn't have a choice but to use Windows. All software from whatever operating system requires a learning curve so the "hard to learn and master" statement is rubbish or the author is just too lazy to learn.

3. Lack of software
As stated, Linux comes with software for every thing the normal home user wants to do. The authors statement of lack of software might be due to the distribution they tested not having a large range of software available in it's repository. This doesn't mean Linux doesn't have a vast software library.

2. Hardware compatibility
Most hardware will run on Linux these days.Yes there will be hardware which don't, these tend to be the newest hardware. I'm sure people remember the hardware issues Windows 7 users had when that was first released. Linus usually gets drivers after Windows users as these drivers have to be written and tested after the product is released.

1. Linus Torvalds is mortal
No he isn't. Linus does have final say on the development path and release of the new Kernel. It's not wrong to want the best product caring your name and reputation. If Bill gates have cared more for his product than is bank balance the Windows would have been a better product. Steve Jobs at Apple had more control over his software the Linus Torvalds does over his. Nothing came out of Apple without Steve Jobs approval.

Overall the article was very one sided and poorly written by someone who appears didn't do much research. Linux isn't for everyone. Some people just need Windows to be able to do their work. For the majority, where internet access, playing media files and typing letters is all they need then Linux is a viable choice, you just need to be prepared to do a bit of learning, as you did when you started using Windows. Linux isn't just for tech geeks it's for everyone.

As I have mentioned there is a Linux thread on this website, it's worth reading, especially the list of available software.

jagmanx
03-01-2015, 00:43

trevskoda
03-01-2015, 06:58

snowbirds
03-01-2015, 07:21
Hi Campers,

I think I will have buy a remote hard drive to move pictures and word documents onto or can I use blank CD,s before I wipe the old Vista.?

Snowbirds.:ninja:

Sharon the Cat
03-01-2015, 07:31

Sharon the Cat
03-01-2015, 07:36
Hi Campers,

I think I will have buy a remote hard drive to move pictures and word documents onto or can I use blank CD,s before I wipe the old Vista.?

Snowbirds.:ninja:

My leaning would be towards a hard drive. They are so cheap now and you usually get some sort of warning of failure and can rescue data. With CDs or DVDs they don'the last forever. A hard drive is also great to keep proper backups in case of crashes.

sagart
03-01-2015, 08:11
I'm sticking with what works for me and that for the next couple of years is Win7 and then prob a switch to Win 10

Son no.1 is already running a late development of Windows 10.
Quite legitimately as he is a Microsoft Certified Professional and has been a beta tester for them for years.
Seen it, looks good but the upgrade path hasn't yet been sorted and there are internal rumours that it may be free

snowbirds
03-01-2015, 09:03

sparrks
03-01-2015, 10:15
I always do a clean install on a new hdd. This way you dont lose any files and if you need to revert back to the old OS for whatever reason you just swap the drives over. Far less hassle and you then end up with a spare hdd for data.

If the PC/Laptop is a newish one particulary running a i5/7 chip then you may wish to consider installing the new OS on an ssd.

Steve121
03-01-2015, 10:30
"Upgrade your current PC (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows7/products/upgrade#T1=tab01)
If your current PC can run Windows 7, you can upgrade it. Note that you can use upgrade media, but you must perform a custom installation of Windows 7, which doesn't keep any of your files, programs, or settings."

So you might just as well do a 'clean' install, ie. format your HDD (or use a brand new drive).

Kryten
03-01-2015, 12:17
Hi Campers,

I think I will have buy a remote hard drive to move pictures and word documents onto or can I use blank CD,s before I wipe the old Vista.?

Snowbirds.:ninja:

Depending on how much data you have then a flash drive works well for backups and they are cheap to buy. If your data is very important, and probably is, then I would make 2 backups.

Kryten
03-01-2015, 12:22

sparrks
03-01-2015, 12:31
I bought a new laptop last Feb and it came with Windows 8 and had a touch screen. I had a bit of a play with Windows 8 before removing it and although I wasn't too bothered about using the touchscreen option I do find it useful sometimes. I mainly use a mouse for day to day usage and only poke my screen as and when it is easier. I would recommend buying a laptop with touchscreen just to give you that extra option if you want to use it. You can always switch off the touchscreen function.

I had a brief play around with Win 8 on a touchcreen laptop and it was great for general surfing of the net, just like a supersize phone, the ability to switch back to a traditional desktop view was also great. Personally I would never buy a standalone touchscreen monitor as 1, it is too remote, too much reaching and 2, I hate finger prints on a screen. When it comes to replacing my laptop I may end up with something like a Surface Pro, laptop meets tablet, but that's a few years down the line. I do hate laptop keyboards.

Kryten
03-01-2015, 13:09
I had a brief play around with Win 8 on a touchcreen laptop and it was great for general surfing of the net, just like a supersize phone, the ability to switch back to a traditional desktop view was also great. Personally I would never buy a standalone touchscreen monitor as 1, it is too remote, too much reaching and 2, I hate finger prints on a screen. When it comes to replacing my laptop I may end up with something like a Surface Pro, laptop meets tablet, but that's a few years down the line. I do hate laptop keyboards.

I looked at all the laptops available when I bought mine and all had these new annoying laptop keyboards that feel like your back using a ZX Spectrum Plus. It was the one thing that I found annoying but there was no other options. It has taken time to get use to and I still don't like it. I do have a plug-in usb keyboard as well so I can use that.

The screen fingerprint problem is also annoying with touchscreens. I do use the touchscreen occasionally but prefer a mouse. I have noticed that a touchscreen does seem to attract lots of dust so a carton of screen cleaners from poundland was bought. The important consideration for me when buying my laptop were, disk size 1TB, lots of memory 8GB and fairly good processor with decent, but not high end for gaming, graphics chip. The nasty keyboard and finger-prodded screen I live with.

sparrks
03-01-2015, 13:21
I looked at all the laptops available when I bought mine and all had these new annoying laptop keyboards that feel like your back using a ZX Spectrum Plus. It was the one thing that I found annoying but there was no other options. It has taken time to get use to and I still don't like it. I do have a plug-in usb keyboard as well so I can use that.

The screen fingerprint problem is also annoying with touchscreens. I do use the touchscreen occasionally but prefer a mouse. I have noticed that a touchscreen does seem to attract lots of dust so a carton of screen cleaners from poundland was bought. The important consideration for me when buying my laptop were, disk size 1TB, lots of memory 8GB and fairly good processor with decent, but not high end for gaming, graphics chip. The nasty keyboard and finger-prodded screen I live with.

My No1 consideration was screen resolution 1920x1080 then screen size, cpu, memory 8gb, hdd was replaced with an ssd, USB3 (only available then on top end laptops) reasonable graphics card as it wouldn't be used for gaming just preliminary photo editing.

Laptop keyboards always give me wrist and hand ache.

oldtech
05-01-2015, 06:49
PS please would someone post a link to the informative Linux thread.:help:

Here's the link Sharon -

http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/off-topic-chat/33416-linux-28.html

There's been a bit more activity on there in the last few days so it got a "bump" up the list of threads.


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