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IanH
29-11-2016, 20:25
Hi

Off to Santander via Portsmouth 7 April 2017, back 24th, same route.

Intend to get into Portugal circa Braganca, get as far south as Lisbon, then east across Portugal into Spain, back via Madrid to Santander

NOTHING booked apart from the ferries.

Question is, (we have used both municipal campsites and Aires in France, but have never been to either Spain or Portugal except on package tours by air) how do the Spanish/Portugese Aires compare with the French ones?

Do we have a security problem (we NEVER use motorway stops, or, indeed Motorways at all where poss)?

Are we safer to just use campsites or are aires on a par with France?

The idea of the trip is to actually SEE the countries we are in, so motorways and toll roads are out.

We have found a campsite in both Lisbon and Madrid, so have no real worries re both of those.

Really just looking for re-assurance, don't like the unknown, though that's the real reason for doing this!!

All replies welcome and thanks in advance

Ian

grath
29-11-2016, 20:40
Hi

Off to Santander via Portsmouth 7 April 2017, back 24th, same route.

Intend to get into Portugal circa Braganca, get as far south as Lisbon, then east across Portugal into Spain, back via Madrid to Santander

NOTHING booked apart from the ferries.

Question is, (we have used both municipal campsites and Aires in France, but have never been to either Spain or Portugal except on package tours by air) how do the Spanish/Portugese Aires compare with the French ones?

Do we have a security problem (we NEVER use motorway stops, or, indeed Motorways at all where poss)?

Are we safer to just use campsites or are aires on a par with France?

The idea of the trip is to actually SEE the countries we are in, so motorways and toll roads are out.

We have found a campsite in both Lisbon and Madrid, so have no real worries re both of those.

Really just looking for re-assurance, don't like the unknown, though that's the real reason for doing this!!

All replies welcome and thanks in advance

Ian

Ian, just go with the flow, it is quite safe if you go with your gut feeling.
The first time we did it, there were very few aires in Spain and Portugal, we went along the Atlantic coast and overnighted at Ports and Marina's or a Beach. No problems at all. We did the entire coast down as far as Peniche which is just north of Lisboa. Water in nearly every village and toilets could be found for emptying the cassette.
Now there are many aires, even in Spain, but in Spain, they don't like you getting your chairs out as that is classed as camping, although if you are discrete, you can at some locations.
I would suggest ************* and All the Aires guide from Vicarious.
Just remember Marina's and Ports!
We did 10 weeks and no camp sites at all!

Just noticed,******* = c a m p e r c o n t a c t

grath
29-11-2016, 20:53
Personally, I think you will find, if you come off the ferry and head west towards L Corruna and then towards Lisboa. You will not have time to cut back to Madrid. My advice is slow it down a little and savour what you will see. Maybe Mid Spain for another trip!

n brown
29-11-2016, 22:20
we've been going to Portugal since '78 and never knew till recently that there were any aires there. not quite sure why they're there, the country is friendly and wide open- enjoy while it lasts!

grath
30-11-2016, 07:03
we've been going to Portugal since '78 and never knew till recently that there were any aires there. not quite sure why they're there, the country is friendly and wide open- enjoy while it lasts!

Possibly because many have been taking the pee wee and overstaying their welcome, also more and more vans are going, French everywhere as they don't seem to be going to Morocco as much due to government advice.
We noticed the Police were moving on Wilders, and more and more official aires are opening!.

Moonraker 2
30-11-2016, 07:14
I spent a month in northern spain this year and used aires all the time. You are not supposed to put anything outside but I saw many doing this. I did not. The Spanish do not like wild campers but I discovered that you can use almost any car park, especially on the outskirts of town, park up correctly, dont put anything out, and you are fine.
If you Can make a detour I would recommend the picos de europa. Out side the main town of Potes there is a stopping place in the car park of a famous monastery. I stayed two nights. Best view ever.
There are a couple of aires books, or apps, that are worth getting.
I am planning to go about the same time as you but have not booked yet.

grath
30-11-2016, 07:18
At Sagres, we heard the Police blocked both entrance and exit to the car park near the fort, and nicked all!
At Porto Cove our friends were parked not on the official aire. The Police came along. took a photo of their van and warned our friends, that it had been put on record, and if they were found wilding anywhere in Portugal again, they would be fined!

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Mind you, there were still plenty wilding and dodging the Police, so it is possible, but don't even put a step out!

Asterix
30-11-2016, 08:36
At Sagres, we heard the Police blocked both entrance and exit to the car park near the fort, and nicked all!
At Porto Cove our friends were parked not on the official aire. The Police came along. took a photo of their van and warned our friends, that it had been put on record, and if they were found wilding anywhere in Portugal again, they would be fined!

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Mind you, there were still plenty wilding and dodging the Police, so it is possible, but don't even put a step out!

They fined about15 when I was at Sagres last year,but only those that had all their gear out,they weren't bothered with the rest.

grath
30-11-2016, 08:44
Between Lagos and Sagres, there are lots of little coves and M/H seem to have found them all. I did notice the Police going down the roads, presumably to have a look and whatever. Lots of Hippy style vans!
Our favourite is Figuera, about half way between Lagos and Sagres. Joel and Pao run the place, We paid 5 night for one month, and very secure

grath
30-11-2016, 08:53
Here are a few places I posted a few years ago, when we went down the west coast as far as Peniche


Here are some nice places to overnight or stay longer in Portugal


Sines, down by the harbour (wild)

Peniche aire M/H parking opposite Fire station

Also a nice spot
On cliffs beteen Peniche and Cabo Carvoeiro
N39* 22.354 W009*22.483

Obidos aire
N39*21.358 W009*09.404

Foz do Arecho car park aire
N39*25.700 W009*13.352

Sao Martinho do Porto parking
N39*30.125 W009*08.471


Pria Vaqueira M/H parking
N40*33.911 W008*46.014

Costa Nova aire
40*36.735 W008*44.957

Barra aire
N40*38.620 W008*44.538

Cais da Bestida parking
N40*45.627 W008*40.602

Bico da Murto parking
N40*43.819 W008*38.881

Pria Afife north of Viana Q Castelo
N42*36.360 W007*46.796

Costa Nova aire
N40*36.735 W008*44.957

Gala Beach sourth of Figuera de Foz
N40*07.506 W008*51.826

Torreira littleport
N40*45.441 W008*42.092

Vina do Castelo
N41*41.870 W008*51.075

Pauljenny
30-11-2016, 09:04
Sounds like a very hectic schedule. Have you actually planned time to visit places,do laundry, relax and chat with interesting people,who will probably tell you about some place or event that you must see while you're in the vicinity ?

It makes sense to use a campsite if you're visiting big Spanish towns,there are usually more thieves and junkies living there than in the villages.
Lisbon has a motorhome parking near the Belem ferry terminal. Only one area is allowed. It gets very crowded, with Portuguese MH.s and touts hang around trying to charge a couple of Euros to find you a space. They take foreigners to the adjacent parking.. and disappear . Next morning the cops come and fine the overnighters, because it's forbidden for vans to be there.

Take it easy, have fun, it shouldn't be hard work.

Use the Iberian POI.s on this website..... You'll be fine.

carol
30-11-2016, 10:02
Where did you say your gaff was Paul? :lol-049:

Pauljenny
30-11-2016, 13:31
Where did you say your gaff was Paul? :lol-049:

Up in the hills between Faro and Tavira.
We offer painting holidays at reduced rates for WC members.
Just turn up.

We provide all materials, brushes, ladders, polyfiller mastic and turps..


If you're planning to come this way, just pm me,you'll be very welcome. We can always find you a spot to overnight.
Not for the next couple of weeks,though, our lane needs clearing and the circus is in town.

noarlunga
30-11-2016, 13:44
We've done Portugal and Spain using the Camperstop (http://www.camperstop.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKEAiAjvrBBRDxm_nRusW3q1QSJAAzRI1tYSx9xxv WUb3vvTDVEE1fzcpguU3MYEA1fUUy2tsbQBoC8qrw_wcB) book and an ACSI guide for camp sites. No problems at all and a decent aires book and an online campsite guide will do you, plus of course the WC Iberian POIs.

As others have said, 2 1/2 weeks is barely adequate for that route, especially if you're avoiding motorways. You might consider the first part of your trip as the slow bit and get yourself down to Porto, maybe following the Douro River down via Valladolid, Zamora, Miranda de Douro, Vila Real, ending up on the quayside by the Douro at Porto (on the southern bank).

Wander down the coast to the backwaters north of Aveiro.....

Than €20 or so will buy you a short term carnet for the A25 into Spain via Vilar Formoso - then the free A-62 up to Burgos (nice town) and then spend any spare time poking your nose into the Picos De Europa range or exploring the coast near Santander. Don't forget to buy Rioja if you're into red wine! Also Douro valley wines are well worth the couple of Euros they cost.

Enjoy.

Johnny A

witzend
30-11-2016, 19:35
We noticed the Police were moving on Wilders, and more and more official aires are opening!.

Last year we where moved on 4 times by the Police from spots where we have previously stayed before

John H
01-12-2016, 08:55
Hi

I agree with most of what has already been said - Spain and Portugal are generally safe and there are plenty of places to stop if you avoid the crowded beaches where, often, the police crack down. There are an ever-increasing number of aires - check them out on CAMPINGCAR-INFOS (http://www.campingcar-infos.com) and wilding inland is rarely a problem. I too think you might be trying to do too much in the time available but there is a lot to see and do :)


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