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jezz
11-10-2009, 12:41
travelling france this nov-mar 2010 hoping to use aires as much as possible-is there a max no of nights that you can stay on aires?or does it depend on how busy they are?

John H
11-10-2009, 13:25
It depends on the individual aire - some have 24 or 48 hour limits; others have none. Some (on the popular coasts) charge for parking; most do not. Check on the website: CAMPINGCAR-INFOS (http://www.campingcar-infos.com)

lebesset
11-10-2009, 13:33
the owner of each aire makes the rules ...I have seen between 24 hours and no mention of any limit
just do as you would be done by and use discretion ...as it is normally too cold to motorhome anywhere in france at that time of year , no doubt you will be able to stay as long as you like , accompanied only by the odd motorhome passing through en route for warmer climes

you will need lots of gas for the heating ; best is if you arrive with a system that will connect to the 4.5Kg dumpy butane ; as soon as you arrive get a french bottle of propane with the same connector [ standard thread in france ]
I started a thread entitled 'uk motorhomes and gas in france ' only yesterday
if you look there you will see what to do , you don't say what your outfit is , hopefully the bottle will fit

Old_Arthur
11-10-2009, 15:50
the owner of each aire makes the rules ...I have seen between 24 hours and no mention of any limit
just do as you would be done by and use discretion ...as it is normally too cold to motorhome anywhere in france at that time of year , no doubt you will be able to stay as long as you like , accompanied only by the odd motorhome passing through en route for warmer climes

you will need lots of gas for the heating ; best is if you arrive with a system that will connect to the 4.5Kg dumpy butane ; as soon as you arrive get a french bottle of propane with the same connector [ standard thread in france ]
I started a thread entitled 'uk motorhomes and gas in france ' only yesterday
if you look there you will see what to do , you don't say what your outfit is , hopefully the bottle will fit

looked for the thread can't find it:confused:

lebesset
11-10-2009, 16:03
oops , sorry ; must be on the motorhomefun site

Old_Arthur
11-10-2009, 16:16
:mad:well get it sorted there's not just the poshies that need to know :rolleyes::D

biggirafe
11-10-2009, 16:43
best is if you arrive with a system that will connect to the 4.5Kg dumpy butane ; as soon as you arrive get a french bottle of propane with the same connector [ standard thread in france ]
I started a thread entitled 'uk motorhomes and gas in france ' only yesterday
if you look there you will see what to do , you don't say what your outfit is , hopefully the bottle will fit

Can you post this here as well please? I'm be interested in a definative thread on how to get 'gassed up' in France. I've seens lots of bits n bobs posted but I would like to see a 'this is how to do it' post :D

lebesset
11-10-2009, 21:10
very easy to get gas in france more cheaply than in uk , but dearer than spain; main problem for british made motorhomes seems to be gas locker size

intermarche the supermarket chain have introduce their own brand called energas with smaller bottles than standard but still with gas at a competitive price ...casino supermarkets are own branding the same product , so when you have a bottle it will probably be changeable in either ...intermarche is more common though

the bottle contains either 10Kg of butane or 9Kg propane , same bottle [ as is normal all over europe ]
price for either 16.50 ; deposit on bottle ..... 1 at the moment

dimensions 270mm diameter , 500mm height
connection .....same as the calor 4.5 Kg dumpy butane
will that fit in your motorhome?

so plan of campaign ...arrive in france with one small bottle of butane calor ,
buy french bottle ,butane or propane as suits your taste / the weather
connect up

regulator ? whatever ..for the last 25 years I have used 28mb , 30mb , 50mb , using both butane and propane on all of them , with no problems whatever

of course the european standard is now 30mb for both butane and propane , and if you have an on board regulator that is almost certainly what you have , appropriate tail available everywhere; if you have an on bottle butane regulator it is almost certainly 28 mb so not a spit of difference

where else does the same thread apply ? germany ; all spanish bottles with the available adaptor ; portugal... repsol with the spanish adaptor ;and no doubt other places which I have forgotten

personally I have used only this connection for more than 20 years , used locally sourced gas everywhere if I needed it

so I use this brand of gas ? well , no actually
my vehicle is german , takes 2x 13 Kg bottles , but I only carry one , repsol

in the south of france you can obtain this with a free adaptor to the french/dumpy calor butane thread ; I spend most of my time in france/spain/portugal ...and repsol is available in all three countries [ there is a small difference in the handles in spain but I have never been refused a swop ]

as an emergency supply I carry a camping gas with an adaptor to the same thread , widely available , generally lasts me 2-3 years , repsol being so widely available especially in spain [ intermarche again in s.france ] ; saves on weight and space

biggirafe
12-10-2009, 07:18
dimensions 270mm diameter , 500mm height
connection .....same as the calor 4.5 Kg dumpy butane
will that fit in your motorhome?

so plan of campaign ...arrive in france with one small bottle of butane calor ,
buy french bottle ,butane or propane as suits your taste / the weather
connect up

regulator ? whatever ..for the last 25 years I have used 28mb , 30mb , 50mb , using both butane and propane on all of them , with no problems whatever


Yes that will fit in my locker, I have space for 2 red propane 13.5kg bottles although I only carry one and keep a full one at home.
Will I need a different regulator? Or can I get an adaptor of some sort? I have looked on the Calor website Gaslow products (http://www.caravanning-online.co.uk/acatalog/Gaslow.html) and they sell adaptors, But can I just buy a couple of different regulators and swap em as I need to. If so where can I get the adaptors in the uk.

Thanks for you help

John Thompson
12-10-2009, 07:48
Yes that will fit in my locker, I have space for 2 red propane 13.5kg bottles although I only carry one and keep a full one at home.
Will I need a different regulator? Or can I get an adaptor of some sort? I have looked on the Calor website Gaslow products (http://www.caravanning-online.co.uk/acatalog/Gaslow.html) and they sell adaptors, But can I just buy a couple of different regulators and swap em as I need to. If so where can I get the adaptors in the uk.

Thanks for you help

Adaptors are available in caravan and Motorhome dealers shops. Brownhills at Birtley Co. Durham stock the whole range. I used them to swap between German Truma Auto switchover system fitted to the Hymer and Calor 6kg and 13kg bottles. My Locker would only take 1 x 13kg and 1 x 6 kg Calor bottle but would take two of the German/Franch/Belgian screw in type. They also do a GAZ to Calor fitting so just keep the same regulator and swap adaptor to suit the available bottle.

lebesset
12-10-2009, 09:04
bg , you don't say what sort of system you have , on board regulator or on bottle , nor do you say what make of bottle you use , the thread can vary by brand

if you have an on bottle system with a push on rubber tube , easiest way is to get an on bottle 30mb one for the calor dumpy butane [ you might as well get the new standard while you are at it ] ; available at any caravan dealer or calor depot

then it is just a matter of moving the hose over

personally I have an on board regulator with auto switch over system and high pressure tail to both bottles ; I keep the emergency bottle shut off so that when the main bottle empties it can't switch... so I know about it ! ; then I can just open the emergency bottle [ which is actually enough for nearly a week for me ] and get the main bottle changed at my leisure

anyhow , if you post exactly what your layout is , I will happily suggest a system for you to use or not as you wish !

how did this thread turn into a gas discussion ???

Old_Arthur
12-10-2009, 11:26
:eek:you hijacked it you concited ,self centered person you :rolleyes::D

good advice carry on we forgive you;):p

lebesset
12-10-2009, 12:14
why arthur ,do you mean I shouldn't have said you need plenty of gas to stay in france in the winter , get some propane when you get there?

or do you mean I should have ignored peoples questions about gas ?
:D

Old_Arthur
12-10-2009, 13:15
too many question's at once there for me:confused::D

lebesset
12-10-2009, 13:48
must be heatstroke from living in sunny donny :D

biggirafe
12-10-2009, 14:22
how did this thread turn into a gas discussion ???

Tangents are fun, trouble is they get lost and no-one can find them again :D

I have an on the bottle type regulator using orange 13.5kg Calor bottles. Its a screw fit. I've attached a photo for clarity

I don't really know of any other type of propane bottle. I was under the misgiuded assumption that in the uk it was either Blue Camping Gaz bottle or the Orange Propane bottles. I have come to realise that its not as clear cut as that,

I was thinking of one of these http://www.caravanning-online.co.uk/acatalog/european-propane-to-uk-propane-cylinder-adaptor.html

thanks again for your time.

lebesset
12-10-2009, 14:48
ok ,or as they say in germany ..... all is clear

you have a simple one bottle system with appropriate regulator and low pressure rubber hose

so all you need is a 28 or 30mb on bottle regulator to fit the 4.5 Kg calor dumpy butane bottle , I think they are about €5 in my local intermarche [ they are still selling 28's I notice , no problem ; then you just have to swop the tube over

then you are kitted out for just about anywhere in western europe , use the local gas [ cheaper ] and save your uk gas for emergency , or a cold snap if you have decided to use butane [ much easier to get in spain /portugal ]

so when are you off ?

biggirafe
12-10-2009, 15:45
so when are you off ?

Thanks, Makes sense for the first time. In the uk we have a load of forms to fill out to get the first bottle, I take it from other posts its not quite as regulated in France, just a small deposit for the bottle?

We are going in spring :) a few months yet but I like to be prepared in advance. I have been advised on health grounds to take some time off of work or die young. So we are taking the opportunity to fulfil a dream. Selling the house, take the kids out of school for a year and heading into western europe for as long as we can stand being cooped up in the van. At least 6 months hopefully we can make a year but that might be too much.

lebesset
12-10-2009, 17:47
bon route et bon chance!


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