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    Quote Originally Posted by IanH View Post
    Well.......................yes...........but!
    Still burning diesel for the majority of the power, just using the LPG to make for, perhaps, better efficiency?

    Have I misunderstood?

    If not you now need 2 fuel tanks and two refuels at different pumps?
    Trouble is for a pure lpg conversion you need an ignition source to actually ignite the charge (And a drop in compression ratio) so involves usually modifying the cylinder head by fitting spark plugs ....

    Question IS .....is bio diesel going to be included in the legislation ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistericeman View Post
    Trouble is for a pure lpg conversion you need an ignition source to actually ignite the charge (And a drop in compression ratio) so involves usually modifying the cylinder head by fitting spark plugs ....

    Question IS .....is bio diesel going to be included in the legislation ????
    The Cons - How Biodiesel Works | HowStuffWorks

    If the above is correct, AND the aim is to reduce NoX emmisions, then...............perhaps not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanH View Post
    Electric will only be even close to practical when there's enough spare electricity to charge them.

    The Greeniots have managed to do a double shoot in the foot, by closing perfectly viable power stations, replacing them with moronic renewables, then, just in time, electric cars come along with no spare electricity to charge them!!!!

    Well done Greeniots!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Thompson View Post
    A company in Newton Aycliffe has an HGV fleet that runs on LPG. Not small vans but big articulated trucks, so some industry plays are opting out of diesel already. This company however makes fuel tanks for the major truck manufactures.

    I have seen other trucks claiming to run on other gasses on the road.
    my experience of hgv on methane cannot comment on lpg but they were rubbish frankly . when i worked at super drug ,drivers mate ,they got mabey half a dozen methane converted units to evaluate and a refueling point was fitted in the yard . what a farce they lasted what about 4 months nobody would drive them ,thats when they were running that is ,for a start off whilst cold if you revved then then you could make them backfire to the point they could blow the exhaust off ,very amusing and entertaining the backfire was like a bomb going off .lost count of the number escorted off the motorways by police because they had trouble reaching 40 mph ,no power at all and more important the range was abysmal no long deliveries were feasible with them and they were forever breaking down , anyway in the end they stood in the back of the yard unused and unloved but well ridiculed ,only thing we missed was the amusement with the backfire .
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    The problem with pollution is the governments own doing.
    They've let the population explode, so more people who can't afford the average 35mpg of a petrol car are driving a diesel.

    They've reduced the speed limits in most urban areas to 20mph thus increasing the emissions of all vehicles by about 300%.
    Why, well a vehicle doing 20mph, is in a lower gear than one doing 30 & if your in the recommended gear for 20mph (2nd) your engine spins at 2000 rpm & you will take 3 mins to travel 1 mile, so this equalls 6000 rpm per mile!
    But, if you were in 4th gear traveling at 30mph it will take you 2 mins at 1000 rpm to do the same distance, so this equalls 2000 rpm per mile!!

    Last, the government has promoted the use of diesels for the last, at least 15 years, so when they did the figures, they discovered that because a diesel car does around twice as many miles per gallon, they aren't getting so much revenue from the sale of fuel, that they would if they were petrol!
    Therefore they are looking to tax diesels off the road!

    I can't wait to be able to have an electric vehicle that runs on the recently developed selenium celled batteries!!

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    General waffle, scrappage and electric vehicles...

    Last time it seemed to me that one manufacturer did vey well from the Scrappage Scheme as within an instant the new Fiat 500s were everywhere... So huge amounts of serviceable vehicles got scrapped and replacements gave foreign manufacturers a mega bonus. In that process, bearing in mind that massive amounts of pollution is generated to produce a new car and ecologically it's actually cleaner to keep an oldie running for as long as possible world air quality suffers through these schemes. That's forgetting all the tens of thousands of lorry journeys taking away these scrapped cars, then moving the resultant dismantled parts here and there and then bringing in the new ones from remote dock areas where other lorries finally take most of the scrap to be dirtily processed in China for us to buy back again in different forms... I'm sure that makes sense to someone but beyond me!

    Love em or hate em electric vehicles make perfect sense to a large proportion of motorists in many ways. With one moving part in the drive motor servicing will be very cheap, motor oil and filters gone forever as of course will be exhaust systems etc etc. Millions of vehicles cover less than 20 miles a day and are idle for 23 hours out of 24. If you've not driven an electric vehicle see if you can get a test drive in a Nissan Leaf... The performance is amazing, all in silence too! As for a previous comment 'where's all the electricity going to come from' believe it or not renewables are coming on strong.. a recent quote "Germany hit a new high in renewable energy generation. ... Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity". ...

    When you consider the fact that enough energy hits the world in one hour to power it for a year then eventually more and more electric vehicles must come and I'd say faster than we think. A world 'ring main' connecting solar arrays will keep the lights on and wheels turning, that too is no pipe dream. The first solar panel I bought was 135 watts and cost me about 400. Now a 235 watt panel will cost you 90 so prices are falling with demand and in turn the energy they produce is cheaper.

    It's potty that wind turbines are often switched off when their power could be used to split water for it's hydrogen, plans are afoot for that as there's huge potential for storage of a 100% clean fuel whether used in piston engines or via fuel cells for electric vehicles. But going back to diesels it's ironic that the pressure brought to bear on manufacturers to clean them up has now made the particulates so fine they are much worse than a lungful of the black stuff from an oldie.... This is of course an ideal opportunity to raise taxes so we are pushed towards new vehicles that again will produce a nice 20% lump sum of VAT... Hmmm, remember when taxes were adjusted to steer us to diesels?

    To my simple brain there's not a lot of joined up thinking going on......!

    I hope I live long enough to be able to dial up an electric autonomous cab to make short trips. No driver gabbing away and no being run around the block. Private car ownership should plummet. Mind you, by then a 1 bed flat in Wales will be 3 million so we'll all be living in our campers :-)
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    if and i say if the government bring in a scrappage deal for older diesel cars are you going to scrap your older diesel and buy a new diesel thats if you can afford the outlay on a new car in the first place which basically is almost a polluting as the old one you had . weve all learned how v.w group and its other branches have been massaging the figures on emissions ,no doubt other manufacturers have been guilty of doing the same Chrysler being one it seems ,or are we going to be forced to buy a petrol version that lets face it mabey just mabey have had there emissions massaged to some degree or other ,after all we all know the fuel consumption figures they give on even the smallest most economical ones are nigh on impossible to get near in daily use, another thing older diesels like my alhambra are capable with a modest outlay and a quite easy conversion quite happy to run on veg oil ,as are a lot of older ones ,Mercedes being another most if not all new diesels are not capable of this ,making my old 02 reg alahmbra potentialy with a modest outlay far more environmental friendly than even most new small petrol driven cars .then we have to take in the so called carbon footprint of that new car ,that in a couple of years somebody will find a bigger world polluting problem with ,causing the greenies to moan about something else , and the extra pollution of scrapping the thousands of old so called bangers that are mabey only slightly more polluting than the new offerings about now ,they have taken in as scrap . now for the fun daft bit ...........mabey the only real alternative is the good old horse and cart no tax ,no mot and all you wilders out there you can fit a demountable garden shed on the cart to wild camp in ,save yourself thousands on a leaky old motor home ,you can use there waste to feed your roses and carrots and other veg we will have to grow because brexit will stop foreign workers from working our fields causing our poor destitute farmers running brand new range rovers to have to lay waste to millions of acres of land because brits wont do the job for a couple of quid a week , and the e,u will place tariffs on imported food so we cannot afford imported lettuce and tomatoes and other foods anymore ,and then when your faithful old dobbin is old and knackered you can shoot them and chop them up and eat them at least you will know the meat albeit tough is free from hormones and chemicals ,no chance of mad cow desiease , thats proper scrappage ,mind you there's always there methane when they backfire ,that plays havoc with the ozone layer causing global warming that will slowly cause the earth to fry ,lifting the temperature of the earth ,melting the polar ice caps ,flooding the low lying land ,wiping out johnny polar bear ,we cannot have that can we ,and giving the worlds population that will emigrate to england for free nhs care a higher risk of skin cancer ,costing our over stretched nhs billions extra . have fun i doubt our old economical polluting diesel motors have much to fear for quite a few years yet ,exept if your off for a holl in london london
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanH View Post
    The Cons - How Biodiesel Works | HowStuffWorks

    If the above is correct, AND the aim is to reduce NoX emmisions, then...............perhaps not?
    I've been using a purer form of biodiesel [reclaimed waste oil] in the same vehicle for 12 years with zero problems but it is an older much more tolerant engine. Co2 neutral of course but yes it does put out a tad more Nox. As most of us no doubt know Rudolf Diesel designed his engine to run on peanut oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanH View Post
    Electric will only be even close to practical when there's enough spare electricity to charge them.

    The Greeniots have managed to do a double shoot in the foot, by closing perfectly viable power stations, replacing them with moronic renewables, then, just in time, electric cars come along with no spare electricity to charge them!!!!

    Well done Greeniots!!!
    So does that mean that all of us that use solar panels to keep our batteries topped up for free, that have realised that once paid for we all benefit from the cleanest energy there is... are 'Greeniots'?

    A pal has a Solar Array' on his farm. I walked around it on Sunday. The gras was growing underneath the panels, birds were singing and one or two rabbits were to be seen. It was overcast and early. At the time it was silently producing 35 kw, pretty good for a modest installation. No sign of any real disruption, it didn't need a new road to be put in for access to build it. No fuel, no smoke no mess. A wind turbine 'breaks even' energy-wise in under a year. It'll last for at least 20 years again doing us all, and our kids and their kids a rather large favour. Fossil fuel power stations might help keep the lights on but they're far from good in every respect... And as for nuclear :-0 .........
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    Quote Originally Posted by mandrake View Post
    my experience of hgv on methane cannot comment on lpg but they were rubbish frankly . when i worked at super drug ,drivers mate ,they got mabey half a dozen methane converted units to evaluate and a refueling point was fitted in the yard . what a farce they lasted what about 4 months nobody would drive them ,thats when they were running that is ,for a start off whilst cold if you revved then then you could make them backfire to the point they could blow the exhaust off ,very amusing and entertaining the backfire was like a bomb going off .lost count of the number escorted off the motorways by police because they had trouble reaching 40 mph ,no power at all and more important the range was abysmal no long deliveries were feasible with them and they were forever breaking down , anyway in the end they stood in the back of the yard unused and unloved but well ridiculed ,only thing we missed was the amusement with the backfire .
    Many of the local busses are now running on methane and not only are they quieter than the diesels they seem just as powerful as a passenger. When I first started in the coach business we had petrol coaches. It was just the mpg difference that made us change to diesel. I remember the old petrol waggons as well.
    If the drivers treat the vehicles in the way you describe it is no wonder they were not in favour. I have known drivers with a grudge wreck a diesel. The LPG powered truck seemed to be running just as good as the diesels. Driven properly and with respect.
    It is in urban environments where the diesel is causing problems. Ford and Fiat recently advertised LPG only vans for urban deliveries. At the same time forecourts are removing LPG pumps. No joined up thinking.

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