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    Quote Originally Posted by maureenandtom View Post
    I've had a fair bit of correspondence with Conwy Council. From memory it was published here so we can all look it up there were less than half a dozen complaints about us in the whole of Conwy council admin area. Only one, or maybe two, was about disposal of waste. There were no complaints at all until the signs went up and the complaints were about our presence effectively complaints that we were ignoring signs. It seems the locals only became angry (and only one or two of them) when we became seen as lawbreakers.

    Give the council freedom to erect what signs they want and they can turn any activity into a seemingy illegal one.

    Taxed with the non-complaints record at Llanddullas the council came up with two reasons (ntohing to do with complaints) why we should not park there.

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    I made a formal proposal to Conwy Council, addressing these two reasons, that a one year trial should be implemented, at a location of their choice, but proposing Llanddulas, in the same way as Fleetwood last year.

    I've not had a response. If they've put up new signs then I suppose I needn't expect one.= new signs is answer enough.
    Proof as if it were needed that the allegations have little substance...I suspect there are many councils citing untruths but it seems some folk think we should just accept it...that of course is exactly what they want.

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    There were no complaints at all until the signs went up and the complaints were about our presence effectively complaints that we were ignoring signs. It seems the locals only became angry (and only one or two of them) when we became seen as lawbreakers.
    This is entirely in keeping with what I would expect - but diametrically opposed to what Alcam reports about elsewhere - where the local were pacified by signs even though they were ignored with impunity!

    Every official complaint is probably representative of a great many disgruntled rate payers (if a TV programme watched by millions gets more than a handful of complaints its regarded as a serious issue) so "half a dozen" complaints might represent a great deal of upset.

    I have never complained to the council about anything but a great deal of what the council do or allow to be done upsets me greatly

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    Can I suggest, without starting any great war, that we must not assume that a complaint has been probably been made. That any such imaginary complaint has no substance and should be disregarded when making regulations affecting people's freedoms.

    And if the council is doing something you disapprove of but don't tell them of your disapproval then that council is entitled to assume that, in fact, it does have your approval?

    There are never any complaints about us. In the whole of Conwy (not just Llanddulas) there were half a dozen complaints over a three year period. Less than two a year. The public outrage we imagine just isn't there. Even when provoked by fake news (remember the local newspaper publishing a fake (stock) photo of our rubbish near Keswick?) there is never a substantial negative response from the public.

    Only in surveys promoting ( they call it consulting) PSPOs do we see anything like it and even then only when led into it by questions like Do you agree with allowing motorhomes to camp at the roadside for long periods? How is anyone going to answer that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by malagaoth View Post
    This is entirely in keeping with what I would expect - but diametrically opposed to what Alcam reports about elsewhere - where the local were pacified by signs even though they were ignored with impunity!

    Every official complaint is probably representative of a great many disgruntled rate payers (if a TV programme watched by millions gets more than a handful of complaints its regarded as a serious issue) so "half a dozen" complaints might represent a great deal of upset.

    I have never complained to the council about anything but a great deal of what the council do or allow to be done upsets me greatly
    I was surmising there were no complaints , maybe there are loads !
    As long as the signs are non enforceable I'll carry on parking there . I should add I never park where somebody would have a good reason to moan , in front of there house etc . Even though it may be legal to park there .
    If people are put off by these signs then , selfishly , I'm very pleased .
    Would people , who are put off by these signs whilst in their campers , park their cars there ?

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    Mostly from memory. But it's all on here somewhere so accessible if we look it up.

    The last appeal we know about from one of our members was upheld, eventually, on the grounds that the signage was inadequate. The council isn't in the business of issuing PCNs and then cancelling them unless it sees that an appeal to the appeals tribunal would be successful. The council will tell you that each PCN is a standalone thing and that withdrawal of one on the grounds of inadequate signage is not a reason to stop issuing PCNs.

    Channa mentioned the Lendal Bridge fiasco and he could have mentioned the Preston Friargate Bus Lane scandal too. In both of these it was held that the council had no power to issued PCNs because their signage was inadequate. Both councils huffed and puffed and would take legal advice but both council had to repay millions.

    In my opinion Conwy council does not want Llanddullas appeals to go to the tribunal because it fears that it, too, will have to repay those PCNs issued and which were paid.

    I have some information on that. I know how many PCNs have been issued and how many cancelled. Between Aug 2015 (when the signs went up) and Nov 2017 there were:

    Issued 77
    Cancelled 23 (I'm guessing, on appeal)
    Paid - 49 (I'm guessing, not appealed)

    and one was written off I've no idea why and four remained, at that time Dec 2017 unpaid.

    The Conwy off-street parking order is unusual. It's badly written but that's not unusual. What is unusual is that the off-street parking order does not bar motorhomes or motorcarvans. What it does is permit parking by motor cars and it provides a definition of what a motor car is. It assumes that motorhomes do not fit the definition of a motor car. Your PCN will therefore claim that you were parked in a parking space not designated for that class of vehcicle. Not claiming that you were motorhome illegally parking overnight.

    The council is partly right but there are, probably, plenty of motorhomes which will fit into their definition of a motor car. If your motorhome is under something like 3100 kg look at their order then, by their order, it is permitted to park. Overnight or any time.

    Sorry this got so long. There may be some point to banning motorhomes from Llanddullas. The car park might be for sale. The council has considered a sale. This, taken from a report into parking commissioned by the council.

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